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MummyIsMagic79 Fri 09-Oct-15 06:52:37

Please can anyone advise me. My 12 week old puppy is biting and aggressively LOUDLY growling at us all.
We don't know what to. It really hurts. I am at the stage where I am going to re home her if this doesn't stop. Flame away, but we have tried everything. Ear piercing noise, turning our backs, putting her out of the room for one minute. She is just so aggressive.

We want to take her to puppy training classes and have secured a place for when she's had her vaccinations.

She's been ill so hasn't had her jabs yet.

Will this improve when we can walk her/tire her out?

I have read everything g and spoke to the vet. Everything seems to point to the fact that it's 'play'. But it's hackles up, teeth bared, ferocious growling and hard biting. Are some dogs just aggressive?

I don't know what to do. I feel like we are putting in the time and effort, just to be bitten and bruised. Again, say what you like about me, but I defy anyone to be frightened in their own home and have their children bitten and scared, not to feel the same way.

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Twooter Fri 09-Oct-15 07:00:53

What sort of dog is it?

MummyIsMagic79 Fri 09-Oct-15 07:06:13

Labrador. We have had her since she was 8 weeks old and it's getting worse. She is being treated for Giardia, E Coli and Campylobacter, so not had jabs. Had first ones but not second. Will prob have to restart them, which is fine. It's not the money, or any inconvenience, it's the aggression. She's prob got another week or so of treatment left, as she's almost better. Sorry if I seem a bit rambles, trying not to drip feed.
Thanks for replying.

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MummyIsMagic79 Fri 09-Oct-15 07:06:48

Rambley not rambles (phone screen broken)

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Thattimeofyearagain Fri 09-Oct-15 07:12:29

My dog was like a crocodile at that age, my as we covered in cuts but he grew out of it. Are you taking pup to puppy training classes ?

daisydotandgertie Fri 09-Oct-15 07:13:01

God, don't be frightened of her - she's just a baby.

It is play. Normal, hysterical puppy play but not something which is socially acceptable. They growl, bark, raise their hackles - none of it is aggression in a 12 week old puppy. Have you never had a dog before?

Calm everything right down for her - she sounds massively over stimulated. Do not yelp or turn your backs - she will learn nothing from it. Puppies play HARD - especially when they're together, but they must learn that it is not acceptable to play that way with people.

Stop letting her do it. Take control and make sure she understand's it is not what she should be doing.

What is her current daily routine? I suspect she needs more calm and more structure.

Thattimeofyearagain Fri 09-Oct-15 07:13:28

And he is a lab cross, hang in there and it does get better !

MummyIsMagic79 Fri 09-Oct-15 07:17:08

I have never had a dog before.

My husband has and he says it's play too. Problem is, he's out all day and doesn't see her at her worst. He sees a bit when he comes home at night, but by then she's retiring a bit and so isn't as bad. Early in the morning is just dreadful.

We have booked puppy classes but then found out she was ill. So he's not had her jabs yet. The trainer has said its fine for us to re enroll her as soon as she's vaccinated.

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daisydotandgertie Fri 09-Oct-15 07:19:02

It is play. There is no doubt about it at all. Just not play that we identify with.

What do you do with her during the day?

MummyIsMagic79 Fri 09-Oct-15 07:19:55

Her routine is

Wakes up at 6.30 ish.
Downstairs for breakfast.
Out in the garden for toilet and a bit of a run about.
Then indoors, potters about, plays with chews etc
Kids come downstairs and she's loopy for an hour while we all eat and get ready
She's by herself for an hour while I am on school run.
When I get home she can have the run of the house and garden.
Lunch feed 11-12 ish
On her own from 3-4 (school run)
Home for rest of evening.

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Thattimeofyearagain Fri 09-Oct-15 07:21:53

Please don't rehome her for this! Puppies are bloody hard work but it passes ( looks at 10 month old ddog still snoozing while everyone gets ready around him)

lighteningirl Fri 09-Oct-15 07:28:16

Does he want to be up that much? My six month old puppy gets up for a quick garden and then goes back to bed til 9.30/10 he will go for a walk whenever offered but he sleeps loads and he wasn't awake that much at 12 weeks. He also has lots of chew toys (pizzles yogurt pots and plastic lids being his favourite) as soon as he puts his teeth on us we give him a toy/pizzle. He sound like he's teething quite badly frozen lumps of carrots are great too.

daisydotandgertie Fri 09-Oct-15 07:35:24

OK - so loopy coincides with the children coming downstairs?

I would change things round a bit.

Breakfast and then take her outside for 15 or so minutes and play hard - make her run about. Spend 5 or so minutes training her - sit, wait and heel. Get her playing with a broom which you drag round the garden. Anything to stimulate her mentally and make her physically tired. The training is important - it will make her brain work and that wears them out faster than anything.

Then crate her for breakfast time. She might wail, but ignore and it will pass. With children about, it is a good discipline for her to learn to go to bed while they're eating. She will eventually sleep after the play.

It won't take very long at all for that to become second nature for her.

She also NEEDS to go out and about. Can you not take her on the school run? This is the window you have for socialisation. She needs to see cars, children, lorries etc - to hear traffic, lawnmowers, etc. She needs to be out and about as much as she possibly can be for the next 4 weeks.

I know she hasn't had her jabs yet, but she MUST go outside the house. Carry her where there is dog mess, or if you meet another dog but other than that, let her trot about a bit herself. It is absolutely vital for creating a balanced happy pet.

Like children - letting a lab pup free range and make up their own play leads to disaster. They need consistent, firm boundaries, mental stimulation and social interaction. She needs more interaction and structure from you - and a lot more out and about. The socialisation window will close by 14/16 weeks - please, please, please don't miss it. It is crucial.

nooka Fri 09-Oct-15 07:46:03

Our dog went through a terribly bitey stage. Whizzing around at full speed like a pirana. We also did the standard arms crossed high pitched yip thing but he got more and more ferocious/excited and the biting was painful! He was also much worse when we were all around, and our children found it pretty hard. dh wanted to take him back to the rescue too.

We found the best solution was to always have lots of chew toys to hand, and when he got too close and was in fully biting mode shove the chew in his mouth so he couldn't bite us.

After a while he grew up and stopped with the biting. Sometimes when he is very excited he does mouth us still, and then apologises with excessive licking instead! His adult teeth are much less painful too - obviously he could do a lot of damage now if he wanted to as dogs jaws are very powerful but the biting 'game' was never about real aggression, it is just how puppies play until they are taught otherwise.

MummyIsMagic79 Fri 09-Oct-15 08:36:59

Daisy - we have been told by the vet and everyone else not to even put her down on the ground, outside of our house and garden, because she hasn't had her jabs. Is that not right?

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daisydotandgertie Fri 09-Oct-15 09:00:01

I use, and always have used common sense.

I breed lab puppies, so have had many of them, and not once have I had a hint of illness from letting them trot about before their vaccinations are complete.

Have a read of this, it's written by a well known and highly respected breeder I know and she's already written out pretty much exactly what I would have done.

LilCamper Fri 09-Oct-15 10:10:56

Labs are mouthy when they are pups. They are bred to use their mouths. I spent a few weeks wearing my lab pup hanging off my trouser leg.

Have a look in the files on the facebook group 'Dog Training Advice and Support' for a article called 'Puppy Biting'. it gives detailed information on how to deal with it.

SignoraStronza Fri 09-Oct-15 10:24:51

I remember this stage well. DH and his family have always had gsd from puppies and one thing he has always done during the teething/mouthing stage is regular sessions of 'biting and fighting' play in the garden. Get a pair of tough leather gardening gloves/gauntlets and get down to some seriously rough play. It might seem counter intuitive and you have to make it clear when the pup goes too far (really hurts), just like the pup's mother would have done.
The dogs have all been well mannered and gentle in adulthood and have 'soft mouths', which any member of the family or vet is able to prise open to get something out of/check/administer meds, which we think is probably down to this early play.
I'm happy for anyone to come along and contradict this though - am not sure whether this is the official advice or if it is just something old fashioned that they've always done.

LilCamper Fri 09-Oct-15 10:28:33

Not a great idea PP, pups do need to play but they need to learn the rules of appropriate play with humans.

lighteningirl Fri 09-Oct-15 14:56:00

Def needs to go out and about just no mixing with other dogs unless you know for sure they have had all jabs, no sniffing/licking at doggie wee stops but otherwise you can take them everywhere with you. My vet said ideally not to take them out but as we had foxes in the garden who would definitely not have had any jabs it was a bit pointless keeping our pup in.

Mandiepie Sat 22-Dec-18 18:38:07

We have the same problem. I have always had dogs but never one like this. She bites and demand barks especially when tired and toys, ignoring, firm verbal correction, time out no if worked!
She is lab cross.
I hope this is not too late as I have found something that really helped -
Learning about blocking is no miracle and it is loads of work but it is definitely having a positive effect and I have not been bitten for two days in a row! I just block and wait, she grumbles, barks more and then eventually sits - which I reward straight away.
We have also reduced spontaneous affection. It sounds harsh but she really did not understand what we were doing and so went into puppy play mode which is very painful! Signs of affection are now short and only offered in a reward situation.
I hope this works for you!

DonegalGhirl Sat 22-Dec-18 21:34:41

Donegal pup had his 1st vaccination at 10 weeks, vet said his immune system will be developed enough at 12 weeks to go outside, meet other dogs, sniff their poo etc, but we have to keep out of puddles / water till he has his 2nd vaccination in a weeks time.

Happy to report DonegalPup still alive and thriving smile.

fivedogstofeed Sat 22-Dec-18 22:20:02

Daisydot speaks sense op, this sounds like a really overtired puppy. She should be sleeping loads at this age.
She came to you very sick, so presumably not from s 'breeder' who cared much. Any chance she was separated from her mum or siblings too young? This also has an impact on their biting.

StarlightIntheNight Sun 23-Dec-18 06:53:11

No wonder your dog is biting, it needs to be taken out and exercised. Why has your dog gotten so ill if you have been keeping her in clean areas??

A puppy will not be happy never going on walks. They need to go on walks, get socialised. When our puppy could not go out for the first month we had her, we carried her on all the school runs so she could at least look around and get used to others petting her.

A labrador needs a lot of exercise. I would say at least a 30 mins walk in the morning and one hour in afternoon. If you don't walk, then go to the park and throw the ball or let them have rough and tumble with other dogs.

adaline Sun 23-Dec-18 07:33:47

A labrador needs a lot of exercise. I would say at least a 30 mins walk in the morning and one hour in afternoon.

Not when they're twelve weeks old they don't! Although I'm not as evangelical about the five minute rule as others, there is no way a tiny three month old puppy needs that much walking everyday. Fifteen minutes is plenty that age, twice a day if you want but there's absolutely no need to drag a small puppy out for walks for hours on end to tire it out!

Your best bet for tiring out a puppy is training! What have you done in the way of commands OP? Can she do the basics like sit, lie down, give paw? Or practise loose lead walking so when she does go outside properly she doesn't pull on the lead as much.

I would focus on lots of small training sessions - we did 10 minutes every couple of hours and it exhausted him when he was younger - even now teaching him new commands or tricks tires him out!

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