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CamelHump Tue 09-Jun-15 18:38:03

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SnakeyMcBadass Tue 09-Jun-15 18:41:49

Don't know the details so can't guess. But this is why dogs and small children should never be together unsupervised. Poor little mite sad

CamelHump Tue 09-Jun-15 18:45:06

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tabulahrasa Tue 09-Jun-15 18:45:52

The one in Blackburn?

From what I've read, the owner of the dog had been reported to the RSPCA more than once, several neighbours had complained about the dog displaying aggressive behaviour and the baby didn't live in the house with the dog.

When they searched the house the dog's owner was in possession of weapons and was growing cannabis.

We're not likely to be talking about a nice well brought up family pet basically.

chocolateyay Tue 09-Jun-15 18:48:43

Maybe normal baby sounds make a dog think its a wee animal.

nellieellie Tue 09-Jun-15 19:16:37

Yes, I think it's prey drive, and something happens that makes the dog see the child or baby as prey. presumably a badly treated/socialised/brought up dog.

chocolateyay Tue 09-Jun-15 19:22:03

Idiots as owners. Haven't a clue how to look after a dog, let alone be bothered to train it. There's no was I'd let my child near a dog I wasn't 100% sure about.

My sister trains hers (big ones) and you can take food from their mouths. Not one has ever bitten anyone or chased a child/sheep (farm dogs),

tabulahrasa Tue 09-Jun-15 19:39:47

The baby was 11 months, not a newborn, so I think prey drive isn't what I'd think of first...given the circumstances I suspect it was an unstable dog, either because it was mistreated or given the weapons and drugs trained to be and there was a stranger (although a tiny one) alone in its house.

The mother and the dog's owner were downstairs...they also reportedly thought the dog was barricaded in the kitchen, which kind of suggests the neighbours were right, you'd just shut doors if you thought the dog would be fine.

It's all speculation anyway, but even dogs with a high prey drive don't often target babies.

Poor wee girlsad

triballeader Tue 09-Jun-15 22:27:46

I grew up with bull breeds, my family have always had bull breeds and rescued bull breed dogs. They have always been our families pets. Even my old grandads dogs [working ratters] were treated as loved family members and they knew the difference between a sleeping child and a creeping rat.

In all honesty; I blame the owner.
IMHO he was more than irresponsible and its a shame he was not the one who was badly bitten.

All bull breed dogs [SBT, EBT, BM & crosses are powerful for their size. In the hands of a caring owner who is aware of and able to meet their needs they have the potential to become very loving and well balanced family pets.

There are pit-bull type dogs on the exempted dog register.
This means whilst they are clearly physically of type they have passed an extensive and indepth temprement assessment by trained police dog handlers. They have owners who have been deemed both responsible and capable of meeting both the dogs needs and that required by the DDA law. In honesty I would like to see dog licences come back into force and a minimum age of 25 for ownership of some bull breeds to try and weed people like this dogs so called owner out.

If a stable minded bull breed dog is neglected it tends to withdraw and display withdrawn subtle anxious behaviours but will continue to retain a small flame of hope that life will get better if someone gives them the care and love they need. If they do they will pay that love back in spades.

An unstable dog is neglected [and occasionally if they are not] it is capable of reacting very badly and with sudden silent aggresion to any given stimulus. Even a small childs sleepy snuffle could set them off. Sadly given the publically available facts I do not think the dog was ever kept as a pet and would have been an incident wiating to happen.

Very sadly a little girl has lost her life and a bereaved mum will forever ask herself why she ever trusted a makeshift barrier to protect her baby in the same house as that dog.

Its a truly sad case all round.

Frenchmustard7 Tue 09-Jun-15 22:33:15

I blame the owner almost completely. He owned the aggressive dog

chocolateyay Tue 09-Jun-15 23:10:56

They aren't kept as pets by some people - they are a status symbol, intimidation, a weapon...

triballeader Wed 10-Jun-15 09:06:49

Had another thought last night.

Those who try to illegally produce type dogs for illegal uses often use a very small incestous genetic pool to try to produce as many type traits as possible. This practice often produces many genetic disorders with related unstable tempraments.

I suspect this may have been the starting point for it all to go fatally wrong. sad

Lilcamper Wed 10-Jun-15 09:21:35

Could be something to do with the age of the baby. To an inadequately/badly socialised dog a suddenly mobile and grabby baby can be terrifying.

chocolateyay Wed 10-Jun-15 10:17:29

Well he got a whole 18 weeks in jail.

findingmyfeet12 Wed 10-Jun-15 10:21:59

Animals, like people can have a variety of mental health issues, mood swings etc. No one can vouch for even a well trained dog 100% of the time.

Why would anyone even take that risk? A baby wouldn't stand a chance against any dog so should never be left unsupervised with one, regardless of how well trained it might be.

chocolateyay Wed 10-Jun-15 10:39:23

I've always told kids that - dogs are like people - some can be mad, bad or in a really grumpy mood. They are not furry little people.

tabulahrasa Wed 10-Jun-15 10:39:24

It wasn't left unsupervised with the baby...

The baby was unsupervised in bed, the dog was in the kitchen with several items like the bin barricading the door shut while the adults were in the living room.

Given all the other items found in the owner's house, the RSPCA callouts, the complaints about aggression from neighbours and the fact that they felt the need to barricade the door...I really think the dog was way beyond badly socialised.

With the drugs and weapons found, I strongly suspect the dog was supposed to be 'protection' rather than a pet.

findingmyfeet12 Wed 10-Jun-15 10:45:33

The dog still found its way to the baby though so clearly the preventative measures were not sufficient. If that dog managed to access the baby then so could any well trained dog if it was so inclined in that house.

tabulahrasa Wed 10-Jun-15 11:16:49

Oh I didn't mean they'd done enough to prevent it, more that the fact that they felt the need to do more than just shut the door indicates that they knew there was an issue having the dog and the baby in the same house.

The most well trained well adjusted dog can and sometimes will bite, but breaking out of a room they're shut in and biting a sleeping baby multiple times is the equivalent of a perfectly nice human with no history of mental health issues or violent behaviour kicking in your front door and stabbing you while you sleep for no reason...possible, but hardly common.

Normally when well trained family pets bite, it's nowhere near as extreme as that and there's usually a pretty logical sequence of events leading up to it.

JoffreyBaratheonFirstofHisName Wed 10-Jun-15 11:34:51

At what stage are we going to admit the RSPCA is now useless? My neighbours neglect their dog, leave it alone for hours on the end, haven't walked it once in 18 months, never play with it, yada, yada... We know damn well the RSPCA probably won't even come out if called and if they did, they will say it is adequately fed and watered, and go away again. It is a large, bored, neglected dog in a huse with two small, bored, neglected toddlers. Why are we waiting til something happens, before we remove dogs from the 'care' of people who are so incapable of caring for them, neighbours have contacted the authorities? What is the point of the RSPCA if they never act?

Years ago, if you called them out - they'd act. In this area, the council Dog Warden's website says call the RSPCA and if you phone the RSPCA they say call the Dog Warden. And neither will remove a dog unless they really have to, anyway.

Lifelong owner of bull breeds here. We should legislate so they can be removed or never owned in the first place, by people who want them as status dogs. Dangerous Dogs legislation never worked, or we wouldn't keep having these things happen. Chavs are moving on to huskies and malamutes as their weapon of choice now and already rescues are seeing more of these dogs, and we're reading reports of kids being killed by them, too.

triballeader Wed 10-Jun-15 12:59:56

Joffrey,
Totally concur, bull breeds need to be loved and cared for family pets to blossom into the loving dogs they can be. They should never be socially isolated and roled out occasionally as status symbols. Shame we do not have a Dangerous Owners Act that takes irresponsible owners of dogs into temprament testing custody before they get time to turn a dog into a real risk.

CamelHump Wed 10-Jun-15 19:29:18

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Owllady Wed 10-Jun-15 19:37:59

The bloke was an irresponsible twat. I don't know how anyone can defend him
The dog is still an animal, as the human being we have the responsibility of ownership to train them and own, walk, live with them responsibly
I've had a couple of quite difficult rescue dogs with small children/babies. It's not rocket science really

If. You've had a breed for security/status from pup, then I'm sorry it's your own fault

Poor fucking kid

I'm normally not so judgemental but I'm sick of it

passmethewineplease Wed 10-Jun-15 19:45:46

I hate these stories. Just the thought of it makes me feel sick.

Too many people have pets when they shouldn't. Something needs to happen about it.

Butterflywings168 Wed 10-Jun-15 19:47:13

sad sad sad sad
Scum like this 'owner' give dog owners a bad name.
This man is guilty of manslaughter by negligence. If he'd left a gun in the house with an unsupervised 11mo baby he'd be inside for a very long time, rightly. angry

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