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A Man kicked my dog this morning

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ExitPursuedByABear Wed 03-Dec-14 13:44:59

I was horrified! Yes, BastardDog is dog on dog aggressive, but it is all bark and no bite - (sound and fury signifying nothing).

I was marching up the canal towpath trying to keep warm, when my dog crouched down into 'play' position and I saw two big bouncy Munsterlanders approaching. Their owner was a long way behind. I see these dogs regularly and chat to both the man and woman who own them, on several occasions. I always call my boy back and put him on the lead until they are passed and have discussed with them the reasons why. Today I was concerned that I had seen them too late, but bless his soul, my boy came back when shouted so I put him on the lead and crossed over to the other side of the canal. As we passed I joked with the man that they would all have ended up in the lock if they had met and he said something about tossing a coin.

I carried on walking but a train went past and my dog likes to chase them. As I turned round I realised that the man had crossed over behind, so my dog ran into his dogs as he was chasing the train. They had a sniff then a fight broke out at which point the man started shouting "I'm not having this". I shouted my boy and he came back but went ahead of me. I walk with a stick so was trying to catch up with him to put him on the lead but the man kept on walking in the same direction, quicker than me and caught up just as I was about to put my dog on the lead and another fight broke out. At which point the man kicked my dog in the belly making him yelp in pain.

I asked him what he thought he was doing and he said he didn't want a vet's bill. Then he said that dogs will be dogs and it shouldn't affect our friendship. What fecking friendship? I marched off with him shouting after me that it shouldn't affect us. He then shouted that I had ruined a lovely day confused.

Not sure why I am posting really. It just really upset me. I make every effort to avoid other dogs. I know he had every right to cross the canal and walk in the same direction, but I still don't think he needed to kick him.

Stupid bastard.

<awaits flaming>

aprilanne Wed 03-Dec-14 13:50:10

it was not nice to kick your dog .but to be honest dogs big or small should be on a lead .imagine if it had barked at a child or worse it would have probably got more than a quick kick

ExitPursuedByABear Wed 03-Dec-14 13:51:57

Why on earth would he bark at a child?

greengagemutantgingermyrtle Wed 03-Dec-14 13:52:30

I think I might have done the same if I thought your dog was going to injure mine tbh, how would he have known your dog was 'all bark and no bite'?
I do appreciate that it's upsetting for you, but I think maybe you should have kept your dog on the lead until the other dogs were out of sight.

greengagemutantgingermyrtle Wed 03-Dec-14 13:54:07

I have had a dog aggressive dog before, so I know the worry they can cause!

GraysAnalogy Wed 03-Dec-14 13:56:03

If your dog was going to hurt my dog I'd do anything to get it away. What did you want him to do?

I'm a massive dog lover, have them myself, but I know that my dogs are not good with other dogs and that's why I don't let them off the lead on places like canals. You already said he's dog on dog aggressive, it's not really fair on other animals and owners if you're letting him free reign then. Is there nowhere else you can take him perhaps that's a bit more secluded?

I hope he's okay anyway, it's not nice when your dog gets hurt.

HindsightisaMarvellousThing Wed 03-Dec-14 13:57:16

I'm trying to understand what happened here - you crossed the canal and let your dog off the lead again, is that right? And you weren't near your dog when another fight broke out? To be honest, I'm wondering what your dog-aggressive dog was doing off the lead when there could have been other dogs around and he doesn't have a perfect recall.

No, the other man wasn't right to kick your dog at all. However, I'm not sure what your dog was doing off the lead in the first place.

I walk my dogs daily, and come across aggressive dogs - these are always on the lead and I would take a dim view indeed of a loose dog who was aggressive to mine.

itiswhatitiswhatitis Wed 03-Dec-14 13:58:24

I appreciate you are upset but at the end of the day you are the one with the dog with issues so it's your responsibility to be able to keep him under control and clearly you don't have full control over your dog.

Feel sorry for your dog for getting kicked but you have to take responsibilty for that

aprilanne Wed 03-Dec-14 13:58:31

exit any dog is unpredictable ,just saying better being on a lead .even if it did not bark .it may say run up to a child even playfully .but said child could be petrified .my son has a wonderfull collie puppy but no way will he be off lead .

uurrghhhhhh Wed 03-Dec-14 13:58:53

My dog is a little shit and will fight with other dogs. I am always hyper aware of other dogs about and he gets put on a lead until the other dogs have passed and are far enough away. I am fortunate that he has excellent recall and is not only aggressive when the dog is in our vicinity- once they are a meter or two away he doesn't care.

That said if i thought a dog was going to be aggressive to my dog i think i would give it a firm nudge with my foot. Especially if they had just had a tiff and the bloody owner let it off the lead to come after us again.
He probably kicked your dog harder then i probably would have done but not unjustly.

WookieCookiee Wed 03-Dec-14 13:58:55

imagine if it had barked at a child yes just imagine confused

Exit sorry your dog got kicked hope he's OK.

That man sounds a bit odd really! But if bastard dog is DoD aggressive then maybe best to keep him on a lead until recall is rock solid, can you get an extending one so he can run a bit?

DrewOB Wed 03-Dec-14 14:00:09

In my imaginary world, all dogs whould be on leads except in designated parks / fields.
Dogs like yours are the reason I can't go out on paths around my house people let their animals go wild and run at people which gives me panic attacks.
#sorry_rantover

Lostriver Wed 03-Dec-14 14:03:12

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

aprilanne Wed 03-Dec-14 14:05:07

sorry wookie cookie .my son who is 15 and autistic would be terrified if a loose dog was barking ,no need to be bloody sarcastic .animals should be on leads .then we can avoid them if we wish .

ExitPursuedByABear Wed 03-Dec-14 14:05:26

He has great recall.

I keep my eyes peeled for other dogs.

I thought the man had stayed on the other side of the canal as he knew that was why I had crossed the canal.

He does not run up to people.

OttiliaVonBCup Wed 03-Dec-14 14:08:45

april
don't be ridiculous. You can't keep dogs on the lead all the time.

OP, I would be have been scared if I were the other owner, I understand that he overreacted, but he should not have kicked a dog.
You really have to watch an aggressive dog closely and keep on lead near other dogs.

ShowMeTheWonder Wed 03-Dec-14 14:16:02

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Karasea Wed 03-Dec-14 14:16:15

Well aprilanne your son's dog has been dreadfully chosen. Collies are not breeds that can be exercised without off lead running.

And op he was right you did wreck a nice day. His kick wasn't the mistake and may have saved the attack escalating and injury to your dog too. The man calmed down pretty quickly but you not sooooo much huh!

My old dog was just like yours and if the system cocks up then apologising is the only way to go.

Buttholelane Wed 03-Dec-14 14:16:19

To be completely honest, my dog was chased down by a muzzled dog once, it's unmuzzled friends with it.
It was traumatic for me, but even more traumatic for my poor dog who was already scared of these dogs from a previous experience.
The 'owner' made no attempt to recall and just watched her muzzled animal chase, attempt to pin down, bite and slam into my dog.

I did something that I never, ever want to have to do again, I kicked it.
I didn't hear a yelp or anything so I can only assume that I didn't catch it, but it worked, they ran off to their owner.
It didn't feel good at all but I felt I had no other option and if a dog did start a fight with my dog again or attempted to, frightening my dog and I couldn't get rid of it, I am sorry to say, that I would do it again.

You can't guarantee that he's all bark and no bite either.
I would say that my dog is excellent with other dogs, but once, she did air snap at another dog who had done nothing wrong really, he was extremely nervous and in hindsight, I think he made my dog feel uncomfortable. I was shocked.
She has also put on an aggressive display for an entire male who wouldn't leave her alone when she was coming into heat. Again, I never expected it as she likes this dog a lot.

She pulled a quavers crisp out of my husbands hand once despite knowing to never steal food, I can leave a whole table of food out and she won't touch. I never thought she would do that.

She absolutely adores people, but once, she really growled and snarled at a group of teenagers drinking at the park. Maybe she knew they were up to no good, but the point is, I NEVER expected it.

Animals are unpredictable, they can and do take you by surprise sometimes, you can't guarantee anything.

tabulahrasa Wed 03-Dec-14 14:17:40

"don't be ridiculous. You can't keep dogs on the lead all the time."

You can and should if they're going to behave aggressively.

Exit - in all honesty, yes, a kick to the stomach is violent and OTT...but, if a dog repeatedly started on mine on a walk, I might use my feet to break it up. I wouldn't stick my hand in there and you'd already demonstrated that you weren't/ couldn't keep him out of the way.

It's not up to other dog walkers to keep out of the way, it's up to you to keep your dog under control.

Buttholelane Wed 03-Dec-14 14:19:15

P.s. Karasea, do you have a border collie?

Because I do, a high drive, working bred one at that.

So many people have a really negative idea of the breed and it's so sad.

They absolutely can be exercised off lead.
And if your suggesting they need off lead exercise to tire them out, no such thing.
The only thing that tires out a collie is using its brain.
This is a breed bred for stamina and endurance, they will take as much exercise as you give them.

Buttholelane Wed 03-Dec-14 14:19:45

On lead I mean! Oops.

OttiliaVonBCup Wed 03-Dec-14 14:22:16

Aprilanne was talking about dogs generally, all the time.

Aggressive dogs are a different matter.

Karasea Wed 03-Dec-14 14:24:13

Not at moment no but have had - absolutely about the brainwork (couldn't be arsed typing it all out somehow!) but they need to run and good owners are very likely to incorporate both.

It's a bizarre dog to never intend to let off lead. Most dogs thrive with both...

aprilanne Wed 03-Dec-14 14:25:19

karasea you are probably right .but the puppy is never of the lead on the days i am dog sitting him .just goes for massive long walks along canals /old railway lines .because my youngest autistic i know how strange dogs can terrifi .my son still wary of his brothers dog although thankfully it does not live with us .

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