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A question about bull breeds and biting

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muddymary · 09/09/2014 18:17

Hi - I've posted before but in a nutshell, DH brought home a staffy puppy a few months ago against my wishes. At the time I didn't like or know much about dogs but since she's arrived I've done a complete 360. I love her to bits but I'm very uneducated when it comes to dogs and having to do a lot of research fast! So please don't flame me if this is a really dense question that I'm about to ask - I just genuinely want to do the best for my dog.

Anyway, last time I posted asking for advice, a couple of people suggested joining Facebook groups about training. I've joined a few and found them really helpful in general but yesterday I was lurking on one and I saw a discussion about a dog in the news who had attacked and killed a young girl. One of the people commented that to help prevent this they train their dog to bite on command (and therefore release on command). I've never heard of anyone doing this before but when I scrolled down lots of other people were saying the same thing - effectively if you own a bull breed dog you should train it to bite on command and then train it to release on command as if it does attack, it would then let go as a conditioned response. The general consensus was that this was the responsible thing to do.

Now I've never heard of this before and wouldn't really know how to go about teaching this. But (and I don't know if this is just me being too soft) my puppy is such a sweetheart with a gorgeous nature. Training her to bite would just feel so counter-intuitive. DH regularly tells me that I'm too soft with the dog but I do want to be a responsible owner too so please tell me do any of you train your dogs to bite and is this something that I should be doing??

Disclaimer - I have been teaching her the 'drop it' command but just when we're playing fetch

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tabulahrasa · 09/09/2014 18:23

Um, no...just no.

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momnipotent · 09/09/2014 18:24

Eh? Never heard of such a thing! Very strange.

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frownyface · 09/09/2014 18:27

Not something I have done or heard of.

Just keep on practising the leave it/drop it command.

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Branleuse · 09/09/2014 18:28

no no no

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Branleuse · 09/09/2014 18:29

Is that an american group?

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muddymary · 09/09/2014 18:36

Thank god - I really didn't want to train her to do that!

It's a UK group I think it's mostly for trainers/breeders of pitbulls and staffys etc I just peruse it for tips and advice occasionally. They were talking about it like it was an obvious thing and I just wanted to double check!

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Branleuse · 09/09/2014 18:39

id report that group. Im shocked.

I have 2 staffies btw. Gorgeous soppy bundles

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Owllady · 09/09/2014 18:42

Can you join a positive based training class close to you?
It will give you the confidence to deal with your dog :)
There's lots of nonsense on the internet. My husband once googled 'how to stop your dog chasing car's and was taken to a forum that had no end of cruel methods in the replies :(

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muddymary · 09/09/2014 18:52

It's something I've thought about owllady I feel I've arrived at the dog party a bit late and I'm just having to double check everything because I know nothing! You're right about the Internet though there's so much contradictory information out there it's unbelievable! DH is very 'old school' too which makes things difficult but I lurk on here a lot and I always find the advice here to be very sensible (and non-judgemental).

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SpicyBear · 09/09/2014 18:53

No no no no no no no. No!

It's appalling advice and the kind of rubbish that just perpetuates negative stereotypes of bull breeds. These are people who prize their bully's power and feel big through owning a powerful dog. I would steer well clear of any group like this. Very broadly and with some exceptions, dogs use their bite as a last resort when no other signals have worked. You do not want to be teaching them to put their teeth on people unless it is for a legitimate purpose, such as a police dog.

In an attack situation with a highly aroused dog a release command trained by an average owner is unlikely to work. The potential for screwing up bite training is so immense, no one should be doing at home. Yuck.

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SpicyBear · 09/09/2014 18:58

Better clarify OP that absolutely none of my ire was directed at you. I appreciate it is really confusing out there. Just those morons make my blood boil! Bullies do not need any kind of special training like this - it just reinforces the idea that they are all ticking time bombs waiting to go off.

The only thing I would recommend to anyone with a large or strong dog of any breed (I include an average lab in that for example) is to have an idea of how to safely get them off another dog in a fight.

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Scuttlebutter · 09/09/2014 23:19

I'd steer very wide of any group on FB purporting to be breeding Pitbulls in the UK - they are a banned breed/type. To be clear, I don't agree with Breed Specific Legislation but anyone who sets out to breed/train for biting a dog that they know is illegal is probably only doing it for very dodgy purposes.

Staffies are utterly wonderful and enchanting little dogs and I'd agree with the suggestion upthread that you take pup to training classes - something like Kennel Club Good Citizen Awards will be great fun for you both, and ensure she has great manners and is well trained. I've seen Staffies get their Gold Awards and at a recent Rally (a type of obedience competition) event, there was a gorgeous Staffy competing and doing very well. When you're looking for a class, look for one that uses positive training methods e.g. clicker training/reward based training - not only is it much kinder, but it's also very effective and an awful lot of fun.

Good luck. Smile

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OldBagWantsNewBag · 09/09/2014 23:29

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Lonecatwithkitten · 10/09/2014 07:40

I agree with Scuttle this sounds like a very dubious FB group and the fact that they are teaching dogs to bite would make me concerned that some of the members are involved in dog fighting.
I actually think that nothing beats a real life good quality puppy training class which is registered with APDT or ABTC even better if it's both. Not only can you get advice that is tailored to your dog, but I think meeting people with similar aged puppies who you can walk with is helpful.
Staffies are brilliant two of the top agility dogs in my club are staffies and they are so intelligent.

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Owllady · 10/09/2014 16:32

Go on, go to a class :) my dog is over 2 and we still go (she still hasn't got bronze Blush)

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JadeJ123 · 10/09/2014 17:05

Eurr no I have a 8 stone American bulldog and she's quirky. But surely teaching that would make them more dangerous? I'd leave that group

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muddymary · 11/09/2014 05:52

fab advice as ever! I've signed up for that good citizen puppy foundation course and am really looking forward to it!

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triballeader · 11/09/2014 10:07

OH my- I have a horrible feeling about any in a group who teaches a bull terrier or bulldog breed to bite on command. It sounds like a group that bait. The Staffy Forums at niceboards do NOT allow any promotion of dog baiting or related activities. Please leave that group ASAP.

There are registered pit-bull types in the UK but owners have to comply with a barraige of legislation and guidelines. All such registered dogs are neutered.

I have a Staffy crossed with an english bull terrier. Thats a double helping of bull terrir plus a lump of stubborn - think two year old in a dog suit - so I have taught mine to 'drop' and 'leave it' on command using her fave ball, lots of praise and treats so 'drop' has become a fun thing to do as something better is on offer. Its a useful one for any terrier dog to know just in case they meet a bun, rat or squirral when out and about.

The reports in the news are about one particular dog with a particular temprament and history. The family who handed her over should have been honest about her aggresive behaviours, the charity advised she should not be rehomed with small children. With any rescued dog it is worth spending the time and effort to get to know the dog as much as is possible to ensure it is a good match for your family and the dog before taking them in your home forever. The huge majority of bull breeds esp Staffies love their families to the point they will lay their lives down for them- not as gaurd dogs but from having a deep bond with their families.


Look for positive reward methods of training as all bull breeds respond well to such training. I take mine to KC Bronze Good Citizenship training at the moment and she loves it.

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GemmaTeller · 11/09/2014 10:12

I've never heard of that.

I've got a staff/boxer cross and a mastiff/boxer cross and whilst they are big soft family dogs the rule is no biting ever, not even 'snatching' at treats.

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alwaystryingtobeafriend · 11/09/2014 10:16

We have just rescued a staffy cross and his is qyite young and very 'mouthy' we aretrying positove reinforcements and also teaching drop and leave it commands. Not happeneing as quick as we would like but we are getting there. good luck xx

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