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Very cross with the bleedin' dog!

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Aked Tue 02-Sep-14 18:43:33

And obviously there is little point in saying anything to her, so the keyboard gets it.

We've had a week away, she had to have mostly lead walks and seems now to be relishing the bloody freedom. She had been so, so brilliant leading up to the holiday. Excellent recall, sticking around on the walk, and generally an all round good girl. Since we got home she is straying further, not recalling immediately and generally just fecking ignoring me which drives me potty!

Tonight she disappeared totally for nearly five minutes, it felt like an age. When she got back she has run herself into the ground, she's knackered.

We've backtracked and I'm cross sad Plus she is being spayed next week, so will be back on lead arrest for 10 days. I guess I'll have to do some serious obedience work while she is!

Rant over.

Aked Thu 04-Sep-14 19:36:20

She has just had sprinkles for tea! She was out there about 10 minutes, I threw her kibble mixed with some tiny chicken pieces and grated cheese. I can't see any leftsmile

moosemama Thu 04-Sep-14 14:43:05

Haven't managed to go yet - been waiting all day for my new laptop charger to be delivered and still no sign of it. Looks like it will have to be an evening walk. I hate those, as there are even more badly trained dogs around of an evening and they've usually been cooped up in a house all day while they're owners were at work.

We've been doing some self-control exercises at home and lots of find-it games and retrieving with their new cuddly toys to keep them busy. smile

I love it when they do the springing in and out of long-grass game! grin

Aked Thu 04-Sep-14 13:02:29

Oh dear Moose, I hope today went ok. People are totally oblivious to the fact they are undoing hours and hours of hard work by letting their dog run riot.

I'm always trying to get Mabel to walk past people without trying to leap at them to say hello. Had the clicker out today and was trying to get her past a man on the road quietly. He still insists on coming over to say hello and that is her ultimate reward! As he was coming over I'm saying, "She will jump up at you. She will jump up at you", and still he ignores it. So frustrating!

Anyway, had a better walk today. I took her to a field where you rarely see anyone else, no squirrels. Just the long grass which tickles her tummy and makes her spring in and out of it. She thoroughly enjoyed herself. Did lots of recall, and a mini version of sprinkles with her jackpot of a Felix pouch, that kept her busy a while and I just sat and let her get on with it smile. I love the idea of Sprinkles! Going to get some stuff sorted to use later before I leave her to go on the school run.

moosemama Thu 04-Sep-14 10:14:32

I have one dc just starting the whole teenage thing at the same time as Pip - at least I know Pip's should be shorter lived.

I have read about the sprinkles thing a few times and keep meaning to try it with Pip. Must get around to it now the dc are all back to school and I might actually get 5 minutes to myself.

I had the worst walk, I think, so far with Pip yesterday. Off lead, extremely bossy/dominant, enormous Labradoodley thing (he towered over Pip - who's now over 28" tall) without an owner in sight and determined to start trouble with my two, on-lead, dogs. Owner was actually stood outside the park exit, right over the other side of the field, calling weakly while he dog repeatedly buzzed mine and barrelled into the pair of them, as Pip barked and growled at it. Not fun and I am sooooo mad about it, as it's taken months to get Pip past his fear of off-lead dogs (caused by being jumped on by large off-lead dogs that didn't have owners in sight when he was a pup) and I'm fairly sure this will have set him back. I'm so not looking forward to today's walk and finding out how he reacts to seeing off-lead dogs. hmm

Aked Thu 04-Sep-14 09:39:22

And oh God, the kids are nowhere near teenagers yet, and I'm already dreading it grin

Aked Thu 04-Sep-14 09:38:42

Thanks everyone.

I'm definitely going to keep on top of it. My determination to have a beautifully behaved dog outweighs her need to be having fun by herself on a walk!

NCIS I would really appreciate that, thank you.

plumnc Thu 04-Sep-14 06:29:53

Yep - you've got yourself a brand new teenager. Like Boo says, back to basics - Just like with human teenagers! - Good news is the cananine varietity shouldn't last as long. Keep the training up (and keep her safe) and when she comes out the other side she will be luruuverly grin

Booboostoo Thu 04-Sep-14 05:55:06

Sounds like puberty unfortunately. I'd go back to basics ASAP. Loads of general training to get her attention back to you, super high rewards for recall, the recall game in an enclosed area and long line in open areas. If you can be 100% consistent in your response to this phase it will pass quicker but I do feel for you! it's very frustrating when they regress.

NCISaddict Wed 03-Sep-14 23:00:35

I'll ask my trainer if she can email the relaxation stuff and pm you tomorrow. atm I've only got a printout. It just gives you a framework to work with although it does involve jogging on the spot in front of your dog whilst they remain sitting grin grin

NCISaddict Wed 03-Sep-14 22:58:26

It works I promise providing you resist the temptation to get involved. They're clever beasts if we let them

Aked Wed 03-Sep-14 22:52:18

I've found a good article on sprinkles NCIS thanks. Very interesting... I'm going to give it a go tomorrow. I'll report back!

NCISaddict Wed 03-Sep-14 22:24:56

Apparently with this session don't even click, it's supposed to be relaxation therapy for dogs, Finn is amazingly chilled when I've finished which I wasn't expecting, I was thinking he'd be hyped up. Also google 'sprinkles' for post neutering, really good for exercising the brain and chilling them out. Wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it. Didn't expect work to relax a collie smile
There's a FB page devoted to Sprinkles. I'll get my trainer to forward me the link.

Isn't it funny how they react, my trainer came over for coffee today and Finn was really alert and attentive to her but very calm. He adores her and her working dog who helps assess all the newbies, so pleased I've found her and she lives across the road. Result!!!!

Aked Wed 03-Sep-14 21:13:54

Ooh that sounds good NCIS thanks. I'll be giving that a go. Yes I was going to do some clicker training etc to keep her crazy brain busy.

Moose, I am determined to have that well behaved adult dog if it kills me (and I've a feeling it might!) One day, we will look back on all this and laugh hmm

NCISaddict Wed 03-Sep-14 17:13:48

My collie is the same, he's 13 months old but he is getting better now. One of the things I have been told to do by my trainer is a series of actions all involving a sit/down but without using words. It's supposed to get the dog focused on you and get them to work out how to please you and my collie loves doing it.
You keep dog in a quiet room with just you and have a bowl of treats which you can rattle but not show the dog then you wait until the dog sits (without any command) then treat, then sit for 5 seconds, treat, then 10 seconds, treat. You keep adding in moves such as one step away from your dog and return then treat and so on but all without giving a single word of command. When they're happy doing it inside you can move it to a park perhaps tieing them to a bench or something but not holding the lead yourself.

It's really improved my dogs focus on me and tires him out as he's using his brain, he is completely relaxed at the end of the session, could be good for post spay?

moosemama Wed 03-Sep-14 16:34:13

No advice, just sympathy and solidarity - as I reckon you have it covered and going back to basics with TR will really help.

Pip has definitely arrived at the teenage stage over the last couple of weeks too and I had the walk from hell with him today, when he took against an enormous Labradoodle (I think - could have been an unclipped standard, but seemed far too stocky) that was free-ranging in the park while his owner stood miles away, on the opposite side at the exit failing to call him back. hmm

I was sooo hoping he wouldn't do the teenage thing, I have had others that didn't and really hoped he'd be the same - but no - with Pip it seems we are going to have to go through just about every problem possible before we eventually emerge the other side with a nice, polite, well-behaved adult dog. hmm

Aked Wed 03-Sep-14 14:21:26

Thanks everyone! Yes giddly I have worked through total recall before and she responded brilliantly to it. Her recall has been brilliant since - except away from squirrelling and I don't use the whistle on purpose when she is so that I don't teach her to ignore it. Mostly I just avoid the squirrels when possible. Its just this week she has chosen to ignore it all. I think you are right though, I may need to go over some chapters again to reinforce the whole idea all over. Tut.

giddly Wed 03-Sep-14 12:01:43

I could have written this thread (in fact I did about a week ago) - right down to her being spayed next week! I was recommended the book "Total Recall" and we've gone right back to basics. I like the book as it specifically has chapters for working with older dogs (our's is a rescue so we didn't get her until she was around 5 months old). It's a bit frustrating having to go right back, but it has made me realise the flaws in the way we approached it the first time round.

Owllady Wed 03-Sep-14 08:26:53

Collies have a longer adolescence than other breeds too, don't compare her to your average dog

Owllady Wed 03-Sep-14 08:26:01

They do get better honestly <long term female collie owner>
But it is frustrating and I feel your pain. You just have to carry on being consistent (boring huh?grin)

Aked Tue 02-Sep-14 19:53:57

She hasn't woken from her ancient slumber from the second we got home hmm. Not even for tea. Dirty minx.

marne2 Tue 02-Sep-14 19:51:01

Mines a collie cross lab, he's a crazy dog and although we have now sorted the re call he still drives me crazy with his crying and constantly jumping up from the floor every time I move ( thinking he's going to get something ) he cries to be walked 3 times a day and is always on the go, I'm hoping he will settle down with age ( I can only hope ).

marne2 Tue 02-Sep-14 19:48:45

My boy started doing this at the same age, they hit a certain age where they think they know best and can't test the boundaries, my boy is now almost 2 and is now almost through the disobedient stage, he's now fine off the lead but I take treats with me just incase he wonders a bit too far ( he always comes back for food ).

Aked Tue 02-Sep-14 19:44:41

Sigh. That is not what I want to hear Owl!

She definitely has collie in her. I SWORE I wouldn't get any kind of collie, even though they are my faves. She got me with her cute black fluffy puppiness, and then turned out to be a collie - of sorts. And I'm convinced she is Flat Coat too, and thus described as the Peter Pan of the dog world.

There is no hope.

Owllady Tue 02-Sep-14 19:24:31

Oh you have my collie! hmm
Mine has been like this from 15 months to now (over 2)

hmc Tue 02-Sep-14 18:53:51

there is a lot on internet re puberty and dogs testing boundaries, just like teenage humans

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