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Awks Tue 13-Aug-13 16:34:17

Got our new puppy on Saturday. I was in tears this morning and I'm a pretty experienced dog owner. Its just so hard moaning cow that I am He is a 9 week old cocker and is a beautiful, cuddly boy but is a massive shitting machine. And not in the garden either.

So any new puppy owners want to weep in here then please do.

moosemama Fri 13-Sep-13 11:11:03

Thank you mintchock. smile

The wellies have been a godsend over the past 48 hours here. We've had so much rain that the lawn is waterlogged. I was borrowing the crocs dh uses as slippers, but of course they have holes all around the outside edge, hence the wet socks. hmm

LIW, we are having the same with my two - only Lurcherboy is a tad bigger than your boy. It's mayhem when they decide to have a romp around together in the house. I have a great image in my head of your puppy hat! grin

You can get going with training at any time. Some breeders even start them off when they're as young as 6 weeks old. Actually, we rescued Oldgirl at 6 weeks, so I would have started training her in the basics then.

LostInWales Fri 13-Sep-13 11:17:34

Yay, I know what I am going to do today! I will use lunchtime's kibble to start with as I'm terrified to break our run of lovely firm poos all managed outside (TMI? wink)

moosemama Fri 13-Sep-13 11:35:18

That's what I do LIW, just apportion out some of his kibble feed for the day and keep it about my person, then use it to capture and reward desired behaviours.

I do use Fish4Dogs training stars as well, as they're so benign that he was been able to tolerate them almost as soon as he started getting over the campylobacter, but I tend to keep them to a minimum, then their rarity raises their usefulness as a higher grade reward, iyswim.

LostInWales Fri 13-Sep-13 13:43:39

Fish4Dogs do free delivery too, wonderful, treats ordered smile. The dogs get lots of oily fish and I know my big dog looks amazingly healthy, he is v slim as befits a whippet but he looks fit with nice muscles rather than scrawny and his coat glows with shine. Little miss still has her fluffy puppy coat at the moment but she's starting to get her slim whippety waist, not got the long nose yet though. No one believes me when I say she's a whippet!

DharmaLovesDraco Fri 13-Sep-13 14:05:48

Puppy is still suffering from the runs here, but it's intermittent, has solid and sloppy. He's been back to the vets today as was due his first jabs (obviously didn't have them) we have more paste and they are sending off his mucusy poo <boak> will cost us £150 altogether hmm good job we love him!!!. He is however fine in himself and well in general, he's even managed to gain weight smile

Sleeping has gone backwards, he's now waking for a wee about 3/4 am and would quite like to play afterwards, but hopefully this will get better.

I love him, I do but my god it's hard. I knew it would be but I'm amazed by just how tough it all is. He's our first puppy too so we just feel so bloody clueless all the time. Thankfully his breeder is wonderful and is contactable at all hours, we had a lovely chat today and she is so reassuring and knowledgeable.

Off to catch up on the rest of the thread, hope everyone else is ok

mintchocchick Fri 13-Sep-13 14:24:19

Dharma - it is hard isn't it? I'm so drained in the afternoons, feel like I really need a sleep just as the kids are getting home from school. Hard to be jolly and patient with kids.

I've been up at 5/6am every morning this week, plus awake in night several times, plus have our 8 yr old in bed with us because he's regressed since puppy arrived! Looking very tired.

But none of that seems to matter when I'm having cuddles and watching our puppy leaping around the garden!

I'm sure each week it will ease up a bit.....

happygolucky0 Fri 13-Sep-13 15:41:01

It does get easier !! Although I was totally stressed about leaving her this time last week for two to three hours. I found weekend crate training on google. Spent last weekend doing that and it has really worked. Jess has slept in the crate for weeks but in my bedroom but I was really starting to think she has separation anxiety. But she managed to be left in the kitchen mon and weds and thurs between an hour and three and was find no noise as got a neighbour to listen in. So would recommend it . Hope she keeps it up!!
Still abit of a struggle to walk her . I have taken treats to try and encourage her to walk but she takes four or five steps then sits down waiting for a treat. Or if I don't give her treats she still pulls back and sits down. When I take her to a park she is abit better but still very slow to get going unless she finds a friend!! Any tips???

Ohalvo Fri 13-Sep-13 16:04:54

DharmaLovesDraco you're not alone! Floyd is or first pup too and we are also feeling totally clueless! Constantly! Haha. Reading cesar millan and hoping I'm doing the right thing - waiting for someone to knock in the door and tell me in doing something wrong! Bf loves him and is such a softy - think I must be the disciplinarian! He can sit and come now - teaching off to stop biting and down. He does choose to ignore us sometimes though- selective hearing!!!

So looking forward to being able to take him out for little walks!

Going to look at fish4dogs now!!!

moosemama Fri 13-Sep-13 16:26:08

Dharma Fingers crossed it's something simple that can be sorted with, at worst, a short course of antibiotics.

It is really hard work in the first couple of weeks, but it does get easier.

I had another glimpse of it this week with him waking up cold at night. I'm so relieved - and lucky - that the lovely people on the pointy hound thread knew what it was straight away and were able to put me on the right track.

Mind you, I'm exhausted for other reasons this week, as things have been truly horrendous with regard to ds1 and his secondary transition. In fact things probably couldn't have gone worse if someone had planned the worst possible transition for a child with AS, travelling on LA transport for the first time in his life. Traumatic is not even the right word. sad

mintchocchick Fri 13-Sep-13 16:41:16

Oh dear that's awful moose.

You'd think the LEA would have enough experience of SN kids moving to secondary that they'd have lots of support in place and a best practice way of doing things. Hope it hasn't set your DS back in terms of confidence

moosemama Fri 13-Sep-13 16:45:13

Happy, glad Jess is being so good in the crate. I saw the weekend crate training thing the other day and wondered if I should start again with Pip, but he's nearly there really. He's fine staying in his crate while I'm around and happy enough for about 40 minutes while I'm out, I just need to start gently extending the time he's left for now.

Ohalvo, did someone recommend Cesar Milan to you? He's not a great example of a good dog trainer, he still holds to dominance theory which has been scientifically been proved to be wrong, but that doesn't stop him being pretty brutal with some of the dogs he trains - there are lots of examples of just how brutal on YouTube. He is fundamentally a celebrity trainer who still uses massively outdated and punitive training methods.

I would recommend Grisha Stewart , these guys and Gwen Bailey , in that order, if you want to build a truly solid and positive bond with Floyd.

moosemama Fri 13-Sep-13 16:50:37

Thanks mintchoc. It's complicated, because he's been sent to an independent, out of area school and is on transport for at least an hour morning and afternoon. The transport company has proven themselves to be unreliable, willing to lie to us, the school and the LEA and the school, whilst generally excellent dropped the ball big-time yesterday which resulted in my vulnerable ds being left on the side of a main A road into the city without supervision for half an hour when his transport failed to turn up.

Obviously we've made a formal complaint, but typical LA cogs turn slowly and procedures have to be followed ....

Just had a call (15 minutes after pick up should have taken place) to tell me the taxi was stuck in traffic so they are likely to be a bit late - implying they're on board but traffic is heavy. Nope, two minutes later - half an hour after pick up time ds phoned me on his mobile (thank heavens we bought him one) to tell me the taxi had failed to turn up - again! angry

Tempted to refuse to send him back to school until they can sort it out - both the LA and school have admitted failure to safeguard ds, so how they can expect me to keep handing him over to unreliable, lying strangers every day is beyond me. angry

Anyhoo - this is all for another thread methinks. Sorry for the hijack - I'm just a smidgeon preoccupied at the moment. blush

basildonbond Fri 13-Sep-13 21:52:47

Fitz is here!!! grin

He wasn't very happy on the journey home (traffic was awful and it took much longer than we'd thought) - thankfully dh was with me as he'd poo'd before we'd even got to the main road - another poo, plus vomit plus quite a bit of crying happened before he finally went to sleep sad

He cheered up as soon as we got home though and was gambolling happily around the garden. He couldn't manage to keep himself awake though and a couple of hours ago flaked out on the kitchen floor for 10 mins then roused himself enough to totter into his crate and he's been sparko ever since. We've put an old duvet over the crate to make it more den-like which he seems to like.

He's not eaten much so far and no wee or poo since the car incident though so any minute now I'm going to have to brave the garden in the pouring rain....

I'm sleeping down in the kitchen tonight so wish me luck

LostInWales Fri 13-Sep-13 22:05:29

Yay, hello Fitz, wishing you many happy snuggles.

I can kiss my smug no messing dog smile goodbye now. She might have slept beautifully every night, she might have never, ever done a poo inside but she has got her feet under the table now and oh my she is naughty. With the insouciance of someone who knows they are beautiful and loved she is chewing up everything she can get her paws on and dancing away at top speed if I try to retrieve them, when she is done with that she comes and sits on whippety boys head so she can have a better view of the TV. Oh no, she is spoilt wink. She learned to do 'sit' today to a word and hand command and I was so proud but I think now she was just laying the final pieces in place before she showed us who is boss! (and she is right, we love her with all our hearts, someone pinch me in the morning and remind me to take charge again).

sweetkitty Sat 14-Sep-13 00:14:38

So much to catch up on, we had first jabs today, she was a star, the vet was so pleased with her, she's in excellent condition.

She's still very clean in the house but more because I take her out all the time, shes not keen on the waterlogged garden either.

She's biting everything and anything so trying to deal with that, she's learning her name and we doing crate training think that's enough for now.

Moosemama - I was thinking those ankle wellies would just be the thing, am now looking for decent wellies for walking in the winter too.

basildonbond Sat 14-Sep-13 06:51:55

Well he's been a star so far - woke up at about 10, had fairly manic playing/chewing session (toes are delish apparently so lots if redirection) then our only accident in the house so far (poo) and I'd just been thinking I wonder if he needs a poo ...

Whined a bit when I put him back in the crate but settled down v quickly - a few little whimpers overnight but he went back to sleep again and woke up for good at 6

I've left DH on puppy duty while I get a bit of undisturbed sleep but all I can hear from the kitchen is no, no, no ...

mintchocchick Sat 14-Sep-13 07:43:54

How lovely that you've all got your puppies home.

We can't believe it's only been a week since we collected Zebo - seems an age!

Lots of biting here - slippers most popular, toes, dressing gown ropes! I feel we don't have enough toys for distraction so we're going on a bus today for a socialisation trip and will aim for a pet shop then home. I just hope Zebo doesn't need a wee on the bus! How would other people manage that whole issue?

Basildon, I started off doing that. No, no, no, it was draining. At puppy group the trainer explained that any use of voice is a reward, whether positive or negative. She told me to stop the no's, distract or remove the puppy from whatever I don't want her to be doing and then reward her when she was doing the right/desired thing. So when she is sat quietly, laying down, chewing a toy and not an arm etc etc. Just the removal of the constant no's made me feel so much calmer! Hope he had a good night.

SallyBear Sat 14-Sep-13 09:02:22

Mint - Toby cried the first few times in the car. Then I rewarded him for being quiet. Every time he stopped whining and was quiet for a minute I said 'good quiet'. After about three miles of this he stopped and hasn't whined since! I give him a treat in the car when I put him in, a couple of times along the journey for good quiet and when we get to our destination.

sweetkitty Sat 14-Sep-13 09:08:45

Were biting mad here too. I've told the DC to stay still, ignore her, turn their back and walk away. I think it helps telling them that she doesn't want to hurt them, she thinks they are puppies and that's how puppies play we need to teach her that's not how humans play.

Can I give her a rawhide chew? Or is she too little?

SallyBear Sat 14-Sep-13 09:25:54

Give her one and see if she likes them. Toby loves his cigar rolls now. The nipping does calm down. Honestly!

Ohalvo Sat 14-Sep-13 09:31:03

moosemama oh really? Yes was recommended to me by a friend with 2 very well behaved dogs! :/ ok, will stop reading and move over to others! He is having a bit of an off day today - a fee little pees inside . Tiny ones but maybe he's feeling a bit hyper! Hope that next week is better for you - on all fronts!

sevastiantheaingingaubergine interesting! I'm going to stop saying no when he jumps on the sofa! He is growing fast and before we know it they'll be able to reach thibgs they couldn't before! We have puppy training starting on 13 oct.

mintchocchick keep us updated on the bus trip! smile)

Ohalvo Sat 14-Sep-13 09:32:58

Could someone post a link to the weekend crate training please? Think he's doing ok but I'm back to work in 3 weeks (freelance but starting to get busy!) and won't be around as much as I am now!

mintchocchick Sat 14-Sep-13 10:17:24

What are people going to do about potential need for a wee/poo when being carried out for socialisation?

I'm imagining if Zebo is in our arms/lap he will whine if he needs a wee but we shouldn't then put him on the ground as he's not vaccinated. I asked the vet nurse when I phoned to book vacc and she said take newspaper everywhere with you and put that on the ground. Really? Can't imagine that working and my visions of a coffee at the outdoor tables in shopping area are disappearing!

Maybe I'm being too ambitious and the bus journey is enough - think I've got cabin fever though after a week of baby steps!

basildonbond Sat 14-Sep-13 10:52:04

Weekend crate training - rubbish links on phone!

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