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VivaLeBeaver Mon 13-May-13 21:18:03

Agggh, thought we were making so much progress.

Only had him two weeks for anyone unfamiliar with my other posts! Seemed fine temperament wise when we got him and by the following day he was snarling at me a bit and mainly Dh. Only when dd is around though, dog loves dd and is almost hysterical when she goes out, etc.

He was also snarling at other dogs, people out on walks, everyone at the vets waiting room.

We went to a dog trainer who said if he's snarling very nastily we should use "enough" as a command and if on a lead put him behind me when he does it.

This seems to be working well, he's now not snarling at other dogs or other people. Carpet fitter came today and she was fine with him. Still snarls at Dh sometimes and the trigger seems to be in dd's bedroom.

Then tonight I'm in dd's room, dd is there and so is dog. Dogs happily in his bed, I'm fairly close to him but not overly so and side on. Didn't move toward him and he just lunged at me and sank his teeth in. He's broken the skin but its just oozing a bit of blood. It's not a bad bite.

I shouted at him, not sure if that's the correct thing to do but I just feel he needs to be told that its totally unacceptable. I told him off and so did dd. dd picked him up and passed him to me and I put him out the room. We then came out after a short time and have made up.

I've had a lovely day with him previous to this. He's been sat with me all day, waggy tails and having his ears scratched. Nice walk and dog training this afternoon.

VivaLeBeaver Tue 14-May-13 15:17:51

Problem is he barks non stop for hours and hours when we tried to have him downstairs. After ten nights we gave up.

DIddled Tue 14-May-13 15:53:10

I will message you later-

VivaLeBeaver Tue 14-May-13 15:58:33

I think you're right I Need someone who will come to the house so for now I'm ruling lincoln uni out. I've emailed this person

We're about 15 miles out her catchment area but she's the closest accredited type person so I'm hoping she'll come. Fingers crossed.

Booboostoo Tue 14-May-13 16:18:37

I don't know the lady you have contacted, she seems decent on her website.

Personally I avoid anyone who talks about dominance, pack leaders, choke collars, electric collars, and other hands on techniques as there is a very good chance of making nervous/stressed dogs worse and getting bitten.

I prefer trainers/behaviourists who focus mainly on positive reinforcement and/or milder aversion techniques like preferably time out but possibly also noise and water sprays.

Good luck.

VivaLeBeaver Tue 14-May-13 16:22:18

We do praise him when he's been good, ie; not growling when you come into a room. I know you're supposed to ignore bad behaviour but there was no way I could ignore him biting me. Someone's already told me to get rid of him, that I'm risking dd. sad

I don't think I am, but I'm worried my desire to keep him isn't letting me think straight.

LadyTurmoil Tue 14-May-13 17:38:14

I'm certainly no expert, but I'd be a bit bloody worried about dog being in your dd's bedroom until you get this sorted out, however much he "loves" her he's showing unpredictable behaviour...

Booboostoo Tue 14-May-13 17:50:37

I think you need to consider all possibilities, including re-homing him or to be perfectly honest with you PTS if necessary and there are no other options. However, don't stress yourself about 'what ifs' right now. You are doing the right thing by trying to get a professional in to help you and, very importantly, to assess the dog and give you an idea of the risk he presents.

Praise is definitely a good thing to do but he may need a higher reward to reinforce his good behaviour. Most dogs are food oriented so treating him for good behaviour, with super extra tasty treats for very good behaviour can be helpful.

What is this dog's history?

Floralnomad Tue 14-May-13 18:09:58

Have you spoken to the breeder about his behaviour since you've had him?

VivaLeBeaver Tue 14-May-13 18:14:10

Got him from a kc assured breeder, she's actually the person who wrote the uk breeds report for podengos that someone referred to down thread. She's meant to be the top breeder in the country for them.

I've emailed her about what's happening and haven't had a reply.......sad

He was six months old when we got him, he and his brother hadn't found homes. I thought an older puppy would be good but now I wish we'd got an 8 week old one. I'm also beginning to wonder if he had been sold once and brought back to the breeder for his behaviour. He seemed lovely and friendly at the breeders.

Funnily enough as we left she said not to let him get too attached to one person in the family as he MIGht then get grumpy with others. I just thoutght it was general advice but now wonder if she knew something...

needastrongone Tue 14-May-13 18:18:07

Hope you are ok.

I am concerned that, as you say, this puppy has actually had another home. If this breeder is highly reputable, then she surely would sell her puppies.

Poor you. You clearly are trying hard to work this out. Get a behaviourist involved and take things from there.

Not sure whether I would stuck him back downstairs? Would he settle with you rather than dd?

Take care.

Floralnomad Tue 14-May-13 18:18:55

Its a bit odd that she hasn't responded to your email ,do you not have a phone number ? Something has obviously gone on with this pup in his past that has made him like this ,and that info might help you move forward .

needastrongone Tue 14-May-13 18:22:24

Agree. You can't change what's happened, but knowing if anything did happen, then knowing what that thing was, will help shape his future.

VivaLeBeaver Tue 14-May-13 18:24:26

I do have a phone number, but I'm not very good at stuff like this over the phone or face to face. If he has had a previous home she's never going to tell me so I think what's the point.

VivaLeBeaver Tue 14-May-13 18:25:19

He wasn't living in the breeders home when I got him. She'd had other litters since so he was in outbuildings with his brother and some other dogs.

needastrongone Tue 14-May-13 18:29:18

Mmmmm. Not saying anything about this breeder but it is a million miles from our experience....

Maybe you could come from the angle that you want to help this dog and would far rather just appreciate her honesty. You don't want to give him back etc etc. all very calm and considered etc. not making a fuss etc?

VivaLeBeaver Tue 14-May-13 18:30:11

He came from here.

One of my colleagues asked if I was sure it wasn't a puppy farm. I really don't think it was...., I just think she had a lot of dogs! But puppy farms don't generally do crufts, and judge the breed, etc.

Grammaticus Tue 14-May-13 18:52:35

That comment from the breeder about attaching to one member of the family is worrying I think. Almost as if she knew he'd do that because he already had It makes me think even more that he shouldn't be in that bedroom.

moosemama Tue 14-May-13 18:52:54

I hate to say this Viva, but it seems that particular kennels have been in trouble with the KC before for misrepresenting dogs they've sold here.

Not sure what that means for you, but it does suggest your suspicion about her being economical with the truth about your dog's history is more than likely correct.

MothershipG Tue 14-May-13 18:55:50

Does he do what your DD tells him? It sounds like he is so obsessed with her he is seeing her as a resource that he needs to guard.

Until you get proper help it might be a good idea that he learns he only gets access to her if he behaves with everyone else. Could you have one of those sample carpet squares outside her room and train him to go to it. Then every time someone else comes in he has to go to it.

When one of mine was getting barky with other people and dogs the trainer I saw said I had to refocus his attention on me. So we did lots of training activities on walks and his food was divided up into 10 portions so 10 times each day we practiced a wait before he got to eat and the wait got progressively longer.

I know what you mean about preferring email but some people aren't very comfortable with it so I'm afraid I think you really do need to call the breeder and give her a chance to help you.

Booboostoo Tue 14-May-13 18:58:18

Give the breeder a call, any responsible breeder would want to know what is happening. She may have more information for you and she would be your first port of call in case you needed to rehome the dog.

I don't know the woman so take this with a pinch of salt, but a few things occur to me from the website:
- she is a show dog breeder. This is not always the same as breeding for temperament. I don't mean by this that all show dogs have terrible temperaments or that show breeders are not concerned with temperament, just that breeding for showing and breeding for family pets are two different things.
- she seems to have a lot of animals and to have overstocked a bit on puppies. With all the good will in the world it can become difficult to give each puppy the individual attention it needs during the crucial socialisation period when you have loads of other animals to look after. If your dog was not properly socialised as a young pup (6 to 14 weeks approximately) this could explain his problems.
- keeping the young dogs in a shed would be a worry for me. At that age they need to be exposed to the sights and sounds of a family home, the kind of environment they need to live in for the rest of their lives.

MothershipG Tue 14-May-13 19:05:15

To quote from that article her solicitor said...
“She suffers from ill health, is arthritic and has difficulty walking. Breeding dogs is her life and her way of earning a living."

If she's breeding for financial gain temperament may not be her first concern. hmm

Floralnomad Tue 14-May-13 19:17:36

TBH having just read that link and combining it with your original post when you got the puppy ,about not registering him with the KC , ( if I recall correctly) , it does look like she may be a bit dodgy unfortunately . Not that that is any help to you now . Do dogs come under the trade description act ?

VivaLeBeaver Tue 14-May-13 19:27:44

But then in the breed health article she wrote she said that she would never breed from a bad temperament dog. I had seen that thing about the kennel club ruling before I got the dog but kind of ignored the alarm bells as I thought that I'm not interested in showing or breeding so restrictions, etc weren't a concern.

VivaLeBeaver Tue 14-May-13 19:34:41

Flora, you're right she said she wasn't prepared to kc register him due to the fact she sold him cheaply because of his age. Though I've since read it only costs about £12 to register. hmm

God, I probably should have walked away....but then I told myself I've no interest in dog shows, etc. I just want a nice pet.

I am committed to this dog and will try and resolve the problems. If we do have to make any awful decisions I want to know I tried everything.

He doesn't seem a bad dog. I came home from work and he's running to see me, wagging his tail and squirming on the floor. Dh has been working from home btw, were not leaving him for long periods at all. I've changed shifts so the most he's left is for two hours, two days a week.

I was just in the sitting room talking to dd who was on a sofa. Dog was on the floor by that sofa. I then sat down on the sofa the other side of the room and he snarled and did a half lunge at me, but stopped when I told him off. Can't understand it, he'd been fine when I came in the room, fine when I was stood up and then when I sat down which wasn't any closer to him he went loopy. After he stopped snarling he was sat there with his ears flat against his head looking like an evil dog, rolling his eyes at me. Once he calmed down I praised him and he came for a stroke like nothing was bothering him.

moosemama Tue 14-May-13 19:41:56

I do think you should at least try giving her a call, to at least give her a chance of helping you deal with the situation.

Regardless of whether you are interested in showing or not, I personally, would doubt the integrity of someone that, allegedly, forges signatures on legal documentation, but, that doesn't mean she isn't a good breeder and doesn't care about her dogs and it doesn't mean she won't be interested in helping you. As you said, she certainly seemed to care about breeding for good temperament when she wrote the health article and we have no evidence that that isn't still the case.

If you can't face making the call, would your dh perhaps do it?

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