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Best Dog Carrier: In Shops? Cafes?

(34 Posts)
FragileTitanium Fri 08-Mar-13 19:16:23

We are just about to get a new puppy. I've noticed that a lot of websites selling "designer" dog carriers are selling the same thing (all of them seem to be made in China). Does anyone have any advice/experience on what is the best dog carrier that looks like a normal handbag?

I've also heard that with these types of bags, you can get away with going into shops etc so long as the puppy doesn't bark. Does anyone have any experience with this?

We are getting a bichon frise/shih tzu cross.

Chihuahuas Sat 23-Mar-13 18:34:33

I think this particular breeder just happens to actually live on a farm. Puppy farming doesnt have to happen on an actual farm.

If the breeder is selling LOTS of puppies and of different breeds and/or letting the pup go too soon then i would be worried. Around ten weeks is a good time to take one.

Questions I would also be asking are..how many litters has mum had (should be no more than 4), how old is mum (she should be younger than 8 and older than 1), who is dad..look into family history to make sure no inter breeding. Anything outside of this is not responsable breeding.

Of course if you take rescues then you dont have an opportunity to do any of this..two of my chis are rescues and are dogs with issues..one came from a puppy farm as a breeding bitch and was bred before she was one and is a sweet little thing and traumatised for life. sad

issey6cats Sat 23-Mar-13 18:02:07

has no one picked up that the op said she went to a FARM to see this puppy or is it just me seeing red flags and puppy farming going on here

Itsnotahoover Fri 22-Mar-13 23:18:44

My cross came from a KC assured breeder, however her litter was a total accident as they bred both Border Collies and Toy Poodles and didn't realise, until the litter was brn, that their Poodle stud dog had somehow got in with their BC bitch!

I agree with carrying the pup in your arms, not a carrier. They need to learn to socialise and a carrier is just cutting them off from the outside world.

SecondhandRose Fri 22-Mar-13 07:34:23

Just an update on my puppy, vet said he could hit the pavements on Tuesday so yesterday we went for a walk with other dogs, he absolutely loved it but did need his doggy handbag which he happily jumped in and out of when needed. It was just what he needed as he could stick his head out the front, watch the other dogs and jump out again when he was ready.

Scuttlebutter Fri 22-Mar-13 00:35:04

OP, if you are still around, would you be willing to PM me the name of your breeder?

Chihuahuas Thu 21-Mar-13 22:51:44

I have 3 chihuahuas. One is very partial to her carrier for travelling on trains etc and would quite happily live in it I'm sure. It is a puppy angel one. It has to be hidden away otherwise she cries for it. the other two are fine on our laps when we travel. Although I can see myself getting a stroller for my old girl in the future as she can only walk for a bit and then her arthritis pain kicks in and she just sits down or refuses to walk any more and shows me her poorly leg smile

Floralnomad Sun 10-Mar-13 10:27:58

If you advocate every month and then Drontal or Milbemax every 4/6 months you'll be covered for all eventualities of worms apparently ( so I've been told) . I agree , I can't see why a Labrador or poodle assured breeder would breed doodles other than for the cash incentive . Having watched a bit of crufts I really can't understand why people pay big money for crossbreeds when there is such variety in the ' proper' breeds .

rubyrubyruby Sun 10-Mar-13 10:24:53

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

tabulahrasa Sun 10-Mar-13 10:21:30

The assured breeding scheme only recognises pedigrees, you have to apply for each breed, so you can apply for more than one breed...but not for crosses. On the plus side you know that any breeding stock from the breeds that they are on the assured breeding scheme for will be health tested, but if they're breeding crosses there's no checks at all on the number of litters and it is not something I'd expect from a breeder who has invested so much in a breed. The KC vet is not going to say that breeders bend the rules, lol, but that's usually what it's about.

Lung worm - most wormers on prescription from the vets treat lung worm as well.

digerd Sun 10-Mar-13 09:15:57

I too found a Crufts website, and was concerned when the vet mentioned Lung Worm. It is caused by the dog drinking dirty water , which they love, containing slugs which carry the larvea. Or sniffing around and getting small ones stuck on their muzzle and them licking them and swallowing them.

I have a very furry muzzled dog and that worried me as she is always burying her muzzle in vegetation sniffing around.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Sat 09-Mar-13 23:20:23

Random thing, but I accidentally caught part of Crufts. They were talking about crossbreeds and they interviewed the Kennel Club vet, and he said to get crossbreeds from KC assured breeders, so I don't know if that has changed?

SecondhandRose Sat 09-Mar-13 23:15:35

Number Nine - It is very cold, the dog is no bigger than a guinea pig and he has not had all his vaccinations and wont be allowed on the pavement until 22nd March. A long time to wait and he is quite happy with his nose poking out looking at the world for half an hour when we pop out. In fact if I get it out the cupboard he gets straight in and has started to know he is off out.

I will also use the bag until he gets used to long walks, he will be a pup for quite some time and wont be able to keep up sometimes. He is not a handbag dog, he is a hound.

We bought from a KC breeder as we wanted to know exactly the temperament of the dog we were buying. As first time dog owners this was important for us.

BehindLockNumberNine Sat 09-Mar-13 20:00:14

I agree with all that has been said on the subject of dog carriers...

Please carry your puppy in your arms - it needs to be socialised, to feel the wind on his / her fur, to be stroked by strangers, to see the world around it, to smell people. He / she will be limited when placed inside a carrier / bag type contraption.

That think linked to by secondhand is not what a proper dog should be placed inside. A hole for his head to come out?? Ridiculous, the whole dog should be out!! It is a dog, not a fashion accessory!

And yes, to all considering a puppy - adopt, don't buy from a breeder!

Floralnomad Sat 09-Mar-13 19:51:59

Not to argue but actually what Battersea say is there are carriers if your dog has a medical need to be carried but they are better off being treated like dogs and walking unless there is a medical issue . Your pup only needs to be carried prior to its vaccinations and TBH you could just carry it ,it doesn't need a carrier or bag . The reason to take them out prior to vaccinations is to let them see sights and get used to different noises and experiences if its in a carrier its less likely to gain this experience . The bag linked to earlier is not a carrier it is a bag a proper dog carrier is fully enclosed like a cat carry case .

FragileTitanium Sat 09-Mar-13 19:17:30

Many thanks for everyone's comments. This will be my last post as it's gone slightly off topic, though very informative.

To quell any worries. I've never had any intention of carrying a dog in a handbag. I wanted advice on whether anyone could recommend a good quality dog carrier (i.e.vents, flaps, lead clip, etc) that looks like a handbag. The Battersea website has no objection to dogs being carried in dog carriers and they don't object to it being pretty.

I'd just like to get one that's good quality, comfortable for the dog and looks nice. Thanks to the person who recommended theirs - it looks cosy for a puppy.

Have a good weekend!

Floralnomad Sat 09-Mar-13 18:22:35

Please read what it says on the Battersea website re dogs in handbags before you go down this route .

needastrongone Sat 09-Mar-13 18:20:11

Our breeder is KC registered. She bred from her bitch once, to gain a puppy for herself. She owns mum and grandmother. We had an interview and there was a waiting list for the litter. All relevant health checks and hip scores are done, scores very low for the breed. The sire was chosen for temperament, conformity to breed standard and size. We had all the paperwork immediately.

The bitch is already spayed. Puppies brought up in a home environment so used to normal household noises, children etc. microchipped. Lifetime advice and agreement to take back at any point. Our pedigree springer, also kc registered will home board with the breeder if we go away. We got weekly updates via email, pictures, video etc when puppies were born, we still get 'letters' from Mum asking for updates. Our breeder has visited us to see how we are doing and coming next week as she's compiling a montage of the siblings.

It took us ages and lots of research to find this breeder but IMHO I would consider her responsible. Not saying yours isn't, just that's what I would look for in a breeder.

Hope that helps, good luck!!

FragileTitanium Sat 09-Mar-13 18:05:07

Thanks for the eye opening posts - especially from Tabulahrasa! Very informative.

nightswimmer Sat 09-Mar-13 18:02:11

How do you buy responsibly? You get a dog from a rescue centre, that's how! The amount of unwanted dogs in the country makes anyone buying from a breeder irresponsible in my book. And yes this is a hard line approach-but while dogs are being endlessly churned out by breeders at one end of the scale, at the other end rescue centres and pounds are overflowing and many end up being put to sleep because nobody wants them. Also nowadays (I'm in Ireland) you can find many smaller cute dogs if that's what you go for at such places.......

digerd Sat 09-Mar-13 17:41:32

Your pup will be a very cute fur bundle. The coats of both adult dogs will need constant brushing/combing and trimming to a short manageable length.

The Bichon Frise is curly and Shitzu straight, but both abundant.
They do have similar ears and tails, but Bichons are much livlier and more active like poodles and Shitzus more laid back.
Their mouths/bites are different too, which could be a problem.

tabulahrasa Sat 09-Mar-13 14:48:35

I'm not saying that they're definitely dodgy - I don't know who they are obviously. But being KC assured and having crosses is definitely odd and would make me wary and be asking why it's happening. If you've put a lot of time, effort and money into breeding a certain breed and made the effort to become a KC assured breeder - why would you be breeding crosses instead of the breed you've put all that into?

Finding a responsibly bred crossbreed puppy is very hard, I'm not saying they don't exist, but you don't come across many who do everything they should to breed healthy puppies.

I'm assuming the parents have the certificates for their health checks, so really what you need to worry about is how many litters the mother has had and how often she's being bred. It is unfortunately known practice to overbreed by breeding crosses in the time a bitch should rest between litters.

FragileTitanium Sat 09-Mar-13 14:36:17

Oh dear...you think you're doing the right thing, and it turns out you're not!

Well I looked at the mum with her puppies, saw the dad (only the word of the breeder), saw the other dogs on the property. Everything looked super clean, neat, no smell at all - all the dogs looked clear eyed and healthy. This breeder also came from a personal recommendation and is also listed as an assured KC breeder. I've also spoken to people who've bought dogs from this breeder in the past - all positive. I looked around the whole farm and it all looked lovely. Have been given a fact sheet/after care sheet - a list of everything including diet, health, etc, etc. It also comes with 4 weeks petplan insurance and will have had all its vaccinations up till 8.5 weeks with vet cert.

If they are dodgy, then I'm really at a loss as to how to buy responsibly. Is there no way to buy a cross from a responsible breeder then?

tabulahrasa Sat 09-Mar-13 14:20:17

Mismate - not mismatch, I got autocorrected

tabulahrasa Sat 09-Mar-13 14:19:24

Not really, no - I mean there are no rules against it exactly, but these puppies can't be part of the KC assured breeding scheme because they're crosses. So any assurances about the conditions they're raised in or after sales support don't mean anything for this litter. They may well be KC assured breeders for either/or the two breeds, but it means nothing in relation to this litter.

The best scenario is that it was an accidental mating, but even then I'd be a bit dubious about it as they've been a bit irresponsible supervising their dogs and they'll now need to wait two years to breed from that bitch again - which if you're running a breeding programme matters a lot, most breeders would go for the mismatch injection in that scenario. But accidents do occasionally happen.

What I'd really be worried about us that they're breeding pedigrees and crosses from the same bitch on alternate seasons to get round the rules on how often a bitch can be bred from... I wouldn't want to buy a puppy from anyone who's using their bitch as a puppy factory to make more money and of course there are health implications for the puppies born to overbred bitches.

FragileTitanium Sat 09-Mar-13 13:56:38

Mum is pure breed Bichon Frise and dad is pure breed Shih Tzu and both parents are KC registered. Puppies are not KC registered. Aren't KC breeders supposed to sell cross breeds?

I didn't know about the 8 week old puppy not walking anywhere outside....will need to take another list of questions to breeder....

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