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Finally found Puppy's weakness and have hope at last!

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fanoftheinvisibleman Sat 05-Jan-13 13:55:08


Doggylonglegs is 5 months old and is the worlds most chilled well behaved pup in the house but turns into some demented thing desperate for doggy attention when outdoors.

His recall is faultless if we are alone but I can't compare to another dog or leaping up at someone new. This really limits his offlead time (shame as he loves it) because I end up like a lead ninja whenever anyone comes into view. Our nearest walk is a busy country park too sad. On the odd occaision I haven't been quick enough he bolts and I am scared of him being a nuisance so he ends up back on.

But today I tried sausage instead of chicken on the advice of another terrier owner and I have hope at last. It is a small breakthrough I know but feels huge to me! I got him to do 'watch me' with every dog and person we saw and even the odd sit!

I know it is a little thing but I am so pleased as we never managed it in puppy class where he was the only one swinging on his lead like a wild thing despite performing lots of clicker commands at home.

I really hope one day I can trust him off lead.

fanoftheinvisibleman Fri 11-Jan-13 22:04:31

Oh and good luck at class smile

fanoftheinvisibleman Fri 11-Jan-13 22:03:24

Hard isn't it? Makes training so much more difficult.

8hours he is generally ok on eukanuba but if I am honest, very firm solid poos are probably only about 10%. What I consider ok is not sloppy but maybe not the ideal. Not sure if it is because he is a floor snaffler despite picky eating! And yes, my little darling loves both cat and dog shit. On one of my lower points I did suggest to dh that we buy food for another dog then ask for it back! <puke>

Vet did agree him tummy is sensitive. He seems well in himself. Though he still aleeps for hours on end but is always full of beans when awake. He was sick today on his walk though bit again had skipped breakfast and was trying to eat various filthy things.

He is wormed 4 weekly with advocate so shouldn't be that. He was 4.6 kg last time but has gained everytime. Vet nurses have said he is coming along nicely and his coat is lovely and shiney.

SweetieTime Fri 11-Jan-13 21:43:24

I am struggling to find the most suitable and appealing treat for my pup too. Am trying to recall train our 6mo spaniel following Pippa Mattinson Total Recall (as recommended on another thread). She suggests using different value rewards but I cannot find anything pup finds appealing. Pippa suggests warming chicken/sausages to make it more appealing but SweetiePup still not interested sad
She is like a toddler in that she approaches with caution, sniffs it, takes it in her mouth before spitting it out then eventually eating it but not enthusiastically.
Not sure what to try next as she also has a sensitive tummy too, most things give her the runs.

ijustwant8hours Fri 11-Jan-13 20:39:37

Mine isn't that enthusiastic about meals either tbh, he generally eats it but will regularly leave a meal too, i just figured that he wasn't hungry!! He is keen for treats though (even when it is just hs kibble) and likes kibble in a kong, i think the delivery is more important to him than the food!

His favorite food appears to be cat shit!! That is what he eats with most relish! Since I discovered that I haven't been too worried about his food!

Is his weight fine Fan? if so I would be tempted to stick to what you know doesn't upset him. Or you could try to get some free samples and try them as treats?

Classes start next week. Eek!

fanoftheinvisibleman Fri 11-Jan-13 13:10:59

It doesn't seem to upset him but he is hardly overenthusiastic with and generally refuses a meal completely once every couple of days. I add chopped chicken too. He has never been overly bothered about eating unless it is unidentifiable matter on the pavement!

ijustwant8hours Fri 11-Jan-13 13:06:47

Oh that sounds hard! I'm about to put pup on adult food so will see how that goes!

Is he ok on the eukamba though, just other things that set him off?

With treats I've started mixing the treats with his kibble, so sometimes he gets cheese or whatever and sometimes kibble...the promise of something higher value seems to keep him going....

fanoftheinvisibleman Fri 11-Jan-13 12:45:46

Putting chicken in with sausage has done the trick 8hours, it obviously smells much morr appealing.

I don't know what on earth I am going to do about his tummy though. He is still not completely back to normal and a couple of nights ago I awoke to him covered in poo and he has never gone in the night
I felt so sorry for him as he looked so pleased when someone came to sort him out sad. Poor thing. Whenever something has badly upset him it always takes a number of days.

I don't know what to do for the best now. I am seriously tempted to try something like orijen or taste of the wild but am scared that me keeping trying things could make him worse? Plus it seems a little mad that I am cutting out all branded shopping for us and then getting the dog hugely expensive food grin. May have a little chat at tomorrows worming visit to vets.

fanoftheinvisibleman Wed 09-Jan-13 22:20:21

Oh we were THAT dog purely because of his enthusiastic terrierness grin

I have posted on here before about how there was regularly audiable sniggering when we were called on to perform! He was spot on at home but why on earth should he do anything as mundane as sitting when there are puppies to throw yourself at! He is extremely friendly but scared all but two spaniel puppies with his enthusiastic 'bowl em over' approach.

One lab puppy actually climbed into a holdall to escape his clumsy play attempts. blush ...oh the shame!

ijustwant8hours Wed 09-Jan-13 22:10:50

Oh they sound very similar! Mine isn't chilled though, he roams around looking for things to "play" with... He is very happy just to bed down and sleep in his crate though.

We have wrestling if he thinks you are up for a play and if he is going to "kill" something he likes to do it next to my legs. He still jumps up at dh and the kids but he doesn't nip anymore thank goodness!

I have noticed in the last week or so that I will call him in from the garden and he will just look at me and completely ignore me. I don't know if that is the start of the next phase!

He is very good, but I am dreading classes as I fully expect that we will be "that dog"!!

fanoftheinvisibleman Wed 09-Jan-13 21:30:22

Oh that is a good idea, I will try that.

To be honest aside from the scarpering after anything that moves and jumping up at people he is fairly good.

He was housetrained at 12 weeks and the horrible play biting / land shark attacks stopped and he has been fairly chilled.

He sleeps in until 9 or 10 am without a problem. In fact he usually has a wee and breakfast then flops for a wee while. He has already crashed for the night tonight.

He likes to play fight/wrestle and can be a pain in the backside trying to get you to join in but he doesn't bite or hurt, just likes to try and wrestle your arm whilst you push him away but his persistance can drive you nuts.

I have a chinese takeaway on a weekend and dh and I tend to eat it on our laps. He has started trying to sit practically on my knee eith his chin on the plate and barks at me like a petulant child when I make him get down.

That is the worst of it so I don't think we are there yet! grin How about you?

ijustwant8hours Wed 09-Jan-13 21:05:14

Hmmm stick the chicken and a bit of chopped up sausage in a tub in the fridge, then maybe the chicken will smell interesting?

We have an assessment for training courses on Friday....

Our best walk ever was when I bumped into a couple of old boys who suggested the dogs would like a play. I even managed to get him back on his lead at the end of the walk, has only happened once though.

Fan have you noticed any adolescent type behaviour? I am not sure when to expect it!

TantrumsAndBalloons Wed 09-Jan-13 16:37:35

I have that dog at puppy classes.

All the others are training for their bronze. The trainer said to me about 6 weeks ago he might be ready to start training.

Cue LittleDog next week acting like he had never been taught a command in his life, barking for 10 minutes straight, and as an encore, running away at the end of the class.

I will not be beaten by an 8 month old puppy. I refuse.

He isn't food motivated. He sometimes responds to the clicker, it depends what mood he is in.
Sit is the only command he will reliably listen to, despite at 4 months old, knowing sit, wait, down, off, bed, etc.

I have 2 teenagers and a teenage dog <weeps>

fanoftheinvisibleman Wed 09-Jan-13 16:25:49

That could work but not sure what to use.

He was quite good today but turned down chicken as a reward despite the fact that other peoples dogs were jumping up at me!

I met a friendly old lady in the park at yhe weekend and bumped into her today again. She asked if she could walk with us for a while which was lovely actually as it gave me a chance to allow him off lead to walk with another dog which he loved.

Didn't stop him running off to make buddies elsewhere though!

ijustwant8hours Wed 09-Jan-13 15:50:46

Hmmm, maybe you could scent the chicken with something? Or maybe he could tolerate chicken hotdogs?

We had an embarrassing walk today where he jumped up at everybody we walked past - I blame all the men of a certain age who like "playing" with him (mainly giving him their fist and saying, go on bite that!)

fanoftheinvisibleman Wed 09-Jan-13 11:50:51

He came on Eukanuba and I was fairly keen to change it as he doesn't seem that bothered by it and it is expensive for mediocre quality.

I tried to swop to JWB and his usually perfectly formed poo was liquid by day 6 and a 20/80 % swop. The vet advised swopping back.

A month later I tried again to swop to wainwrights. It seemed ok at first and I went even slower but again he got progressively sloppier until I gave up after a fortnight when about 3/4 changed over. In both instances the problem has stopped within a day or two of going back to Eukanuba. He tolerates chicken and broccoli and weetabix which I add to his food.

But ANYTHING at all else from a dog biscuit to trying to use cheese (or sausage!) gives him the runs by the next poo. It happens everytime I give him anything out of the ordinary so I would be a little suprised if it was a coincidence. It can vary from soft to liquid. The vet agreed he appears to have a sensitive tummy. It makes training hard as he finds kibble and chicken easy to resist in the face of excitement.

needastrongone Wed 09-Jan-13 08:39:14

Fan - you sure it's the food? I only ask because I questioned this with the Vet on Monday. Our puppy goes about 3 times a day, the first two in the morning a lovely, firm poos (!) but the last one in the afternoon is quite a bit runnier.

Vet said not to worry, perfectly normal, a combination of the activity of the day and having access to his daily water will make the poo softer, her dogs are the same. Think 'runners trots', if you know what I mean.

I was worried about this as I have puppy on expensive, grain free Taste of the Wild (with two spare bags in the garage) and had cut out treats other than kibble.

Just a thought!

fanoftheinvisibleman Tue 08-Jan-13 17:27:03

It isn't stopping him pegging it at all but it has bought me a few seconds 8 hours. I actually managed to almost get him past someone in the woods sucessfully till they started talking to him then he skipped off and jumped up. Grr he needs to be less cute!

I wish chicken would cut it as it is one of the few yhings he tolerates well. Had to lay off the sausage as like most other things it has given him the runs.

needastrongone Tue 08-Jan-13 12:44:17

Chicken for my puppy. Recall training working a treat for chicken!

ijustwant8hours Tue 08-Jan-13 12:09:22

Hi Fan, my pup is the same, but even sausage doesn't help me now. Another dog, person or ideally a small child trumps everything!!

My puppy classes fell through but hopefully classes in the new year will help...

deste Sat 05-Jan-13 21:30:00

That was our breakthrough as well. If he is outside and barks and I shout sausage, he is in in a flash. Anything else he just ignores. I cut up cooked cocktail sausages into small bits and he gets one when he comes in and sits.

SpicyPear Sat 05-Jan-13 19:02:55

fan you have my sympathy. Well done on your breakthrough. My JRT x started off recalling brilliantly, then had a fear stage and has come out the other side so confident that he sees absolutely no reason to come back when anything else even slightly interesting is about. Cheese, turkey, sausage, squeaky toy are all no match for another dog, person, bird or, sometimes, even just a really appealing twig or leaf. At the moment he's only allowed off to play with a specific dog that the owner can get back.

fanoftheinvisibleman Sat 05-Jan-13 16:24:52

mid january, sorry.

fanoftheinvisibleman Sat 05-Jan-13 16:24:05

We did meet some lovely people too, they didn't all give us a wide berth.But I am sure the trainer deliberately kept pairing us with a poodle whose owner looked visably appalled everytime our names were called!

Puppy class finished the week before christmas but she did say in mid december she will forward us details of the next stage training class. Fingers crossed we can at least manage watch me with sausage bribes! It always made me smile in puppy class...a set of instructions would be issued eg. pass each other with a watch me, sit, watch me then greet. Tagged on the end would be ' Fan...try for a watch me, even a quick one!' blush

mrsjay Sat 05-Jan-13 16:13:06

there is a woman* i have no idea what is up with my typing today

mrsjay Sat 05-Jan-13 16:12:27

It's like being on show and judged on your every move back at mums and tots isn't it?

aye instead of you having THAT child you have THAT dog, my dh does get agitated about it its a shame but we keep plodding along, TBf they are some lovely people and dogs their a woman has 2 with her they are fab and she is very understanding and gives us tips, as he is hanging off his lead blush

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