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Just put a deposit down for a puppy but having doubts

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gabsid Sat 27-Oct-12 22:03:38

Today we drove 3 1/2 hours to see cockapoo puppies. DC adored the 4 week old puppies and chose one.

However, the breeder told me that the cocker spaniel mum didn't have papers, nor a health check and I am not sure whether to go through with it.

Is there a cooling off period? Can I get the deposit back?

lurcherlover Sat 27-Oct-12 22:15:42

Run a mile. Who breeds from a pedigree dog without a health check? Cockers have their fair share of inherited diseases. Did you sign a contract when you paid the deposit?

Then find a dogs' home with puppies and take home a nice healthy crossbreed...

VivaLeBeaver Sat 27-Oct-12 22:16:49

Doubt you'd get the deposit back.

I wouldn't be worried about papers, more so about the health check.

A friend of mine bred some springer spaniels from her unchecked pet dogs. Turned out they both carried a gene and some of the puppies went Blind at a few months old.

HoneyDragon Sat 27-Oct-12 22:16:58

Leg it. Potentially the pup could cost you a lot more than a deposit.

Scuttlebutter Sat 27-Oct-12 22:22:31

DC will adore pretty much any 4 week old puppies (hell, I would too).

Please don't buy these pups. You will be funding the continuation of misery for the bitch, and pups with a very uncertain future, health wise. No responsible dog owner would want to do this.

If you like, pass me the details of the breeder, and I can tell you if they are already "flagged" by anti puppy farm campaigners. Where did you see them advertised?

gabsid Sat 27-Oct-12 22:31:36

Thanks all.

Its in Sutton in Ashfield, Nottinghamshire. A lady called Sue.

I forgot to ask on the phone and then after the long drive, arghhh. If it had been closer to home it would have been easier to just go.

gabsid Sat 27-Oct-12 22:32:14

Oh, its on Pets4Homes website.

Toughasoldboots Sat 27-Oct-12 22:33:10

Sorry, completely agree with scuttle

Baffledandbewildered Sat 27-Oct-12 22:49:50

All cocker that are bred from should be BVA tested for GPRA optigen dna test for prcd - PRA and fn and have a yearly test for glaucoma . That just one side of your potential puppies breeding all these tests are for eyes .they should also be hip scored ! Without these test you are buying from someone who does not care about the welfare of their pups. Poodles also need eye tests . Don't go ahead go and get a puppy from someone who has the pups best interests at heart.

Baffledandbewildered Sat 27-Oct-12 22:51:54

Oh and to add we bred pedigree puppies fully tested parents ! And I have never kept a deposit when someone changes their minds. It annoying but I would rather the pup went to the right home than just make money !

tooearlytobeup Sat 27-Oct-12 22:56:07

Scuttlebutter can I be really cheeky and ask you about a 'breeder' someone I know is getting a puppy from? It looks dodgy as hell to me but she insists they are fine. If I'm right I will put in an extra effort to disuade them

lucyellenmum Sat 27-Oct-12 22:56:49

My DP came home with a puppy once, he had paid £350 for it, from a breeder, out of the blue was this five month old puppy in my kitchen. I have never really forgiven him for that - we kept the dog two days, it just wasn't right, it was a bag of nerves and already possessive of his food. I wasn't willing to take the chance on this puppy as it was a large breed (rottie) and i just knew it wasn't right (having had two rotties in the past) and we would have problems with him. I was devestated to have to send him back to the breeder because i knew he would be hard to home but i couldn't take the chance. It makes me angry just htinking about it - also, we didn't get the money back. But i had to go with my instincts and i suggest you follow yours.

gabsid Sat 27-Oct-12 23:00:20

I did expect her to ask us some questions, but she didn't.

She lived in a fairly small house with two other dogs, but the garden appeared fairly generous.

We were planning to go away and think about it, but in the end we didn't.

It is the health check that really bothers me.

Scuttlebutter Sat 27-Oct-12 23:01:26

Yes, send me a PM, and I will do what I can.

Scuttlebutter Sat 27-Oct-12 23:03:37

Gabsid, also bear in mind that a house you see may not be where hte pup are bred. It's quite common for breeders and dealers to put pups in a home just before they are sold - the host family gets a few quid cash in hand and it makes it look as though they are "family pets" sad.

Baffledandbewildered Sat 27-Oct-12 23:19:14

Again you are right to worry about health test and ps its not a sales pitch from me I don't breed cockers or poodles smile

gabsid Sat 27-Oct-12 23:20:14

I didn't get the impression that they were placed into a family home because she doesn't seem to have family living with her and the puppies were kept outside with a heating lamp, and other doggy stuff was outside.

However, I feel quite down now as most breeders with puppies that might be right for us are quite some way away, and even then you don't seem to be able to say whether its a read family pet. sad

gabsid Sat 27-Oct-12 23:25:37

Can't help thinking that she might have done a health check on the cocker spaniel mum, there were problems and therefore she says that there isn't a check.

Floralnomad Sat 27-Oct-12 23:26:19

Yes she may be a dodgy breeder and I'm not condoning that in any way , and I think you made a hasty decision ,however the way I would look at it is if you had gone to a local rescue and taken that pup at perhaps 12 weeks old you wouldn't have any idea about its long term health prospects . The same goes for all of us who have taken on rescue pups. The only difference is the amount of money it's costing you . If you like the pup get it well insured and hope for the best , lets face it someone will eventually be its owner and it may be fine .

RedwingWinter Sun 28-Oct-12 01:03:09

The only difference is not the amount of money it's costing. The difference is also whether you are supporting continual dodgy breeding practices and all the pain and misery they cause, or supporting the welfare of dogs.

Suppose you got the exact same dog at an older age from a good rescue. They would have had a behavioural assessment, so that the rescue knew they were suitable for adoption and what kind of home they could go to; they would be fully vaccinated; they would already be neutered/spayed; some behavioural advice would be available if needed; they would come with free insurance for a limited time (6 weeks - long enough to be sure it has no major health problems); and the rescue would take the pup/dog back if for some reason you couldn't keep it any longer. And you'd have a clear conscience that you hadn't encouraged further dodgy breeding.

LST Sun 28-Oct-12 01:15:14

I agree with floral. You have a pup from a rescue and you won't have the first clue of where it's from.

LST Sun 28-Oct-12 01:16:29

And our rescue centre is vile. I wouldn't ever get a dog from them. I have many many bad experiences sad

LadyTurmoil Sun 28-Oct-12 01:24:19

look what you could get from a rescue (I know not all support MT on here but it's got to be better than a dodgy breeder) www.manytearsrescue.org/display_mtar_dog.php?id=5280 or www.manytearsrescue.org/display_mtar_dog.php?id=867

recall Sun 28-Oct-12 01:28:47

I'm more of a cat person, but before I sell a kitten, they are vaccinated twice and that is the point at which the vet does the the health checks. I would have thought that if the bitch (mum) was vaccinated, she would have had the health check then ??? If the pup comes to you vaccinated, it will have had a health check. I don't know about hip scores and eye tests when you cross breed.....

SofiaAmes Sun 28-Oct-12 01:36:39

Why not get a rescue dog a save an animal's life?

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