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MrsWolowitz Thu 11-Oct-12 08:53:45

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MrsWolowitz Thu 11-Oct-12 08:55:31

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seeker Thu 11-Oct-12 08:59:03

Make sure you find out what happens to the pups that don't "turn out right". Not every Labrador/poodle cross is a labradoodle.

PersonalClown Thu 11-Oct-12 09:13:14

If you are looking for a certain type of coat, don't go for a Labradoodle.
Their coat changes about 3 times before they are 2 and you have no idea what type you will get.

When we got our big ball of fluff, he was a wirey short haired little thing. Now He needs to be clipped 2-3 times a year and he moults enough to stuff a cushion weekly.
Plus my vet has always told me never to over do the exercise as they can still inherit the hip dysplasia from Labs and do some serious damage.

If you REALLY have your heart set on a Doodle, contact the Labradoodle Trust. They rescue and rehome all the Doodles that people ditch because they weren't 'right'

Must be said though. I love my ball of fluffy madness!grin

OhDeerHauntingFENTON Thu 11-Oct-12 09:18:48

Bloody hell, what happens to the ones who don't turn out right? Am I about to feel outraged about these custom made dogs?

seeker Thu 11-Oct-12 09:51:15

Well, if they are being bred by a professional with a living to make, initially what happens to all puppies that are obviously not "right" at birth.

But if the breeder is uncrupulous, which many (not all) are, they are then sold to people who don't know any better and end up in rehoming centres when they turn out not to be "non shedding" and "hypoallergenic" after all.

D0oinMeCleanin Thu 11-Oct-12 09:57:13

What's wrong with getting a standard poodle?

I don't understand people who get dogs for what they look like or what coat type they have. I prefer to own dogs whose physical, social and mental needs suit my lifestyle and whose personality is endearing to me.

MrsWolowitz Thu 11-Oct-12 09:58:20

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MrsWolowitz Thu 11-Oct-12 10:02:35

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seeker Thu 11-Oct-12 10:07:34

Well, I think encouraging the breeding of more dogs is wrong. Regardless of breed.

There are plenty of rescue labradoodles to be had if you are set on the breed.

Inthepotty Thu 11-Oct-12 10:09:10

I've a labradoodle. My stupid SIL bought him from a 'breeder' who told her he wouldn't moult and as he was a cross would be the most healthy dog in the history of the world. I pinched him off of her at 15 weeks, after she turned out to be the worst dog owner ever.

His coat was originally a loose wool, not much shedding. It's now scruffy lab and he sheds like a bastard, and is also allergic to chicken, with various other intolerances that make his eyes runny, and skin bad. We have recently started with a working trials club, and on the advice of my trainer, who breeds labs, have decided that I won't ever compete/work my dog properly, as his back end is 'weak' (slimmer and longer than front) and I don't want to put pressure on his joints doing big jumps.

I'm always trying to put people off doodles. Mine is a lovely lovely boy and I love him to bits, but Labradors and Poodles are lovely dogs, too. My DH never liked poodles until we saw one in a puppy clip, (same length all over) and said how much they were like our dog!

My next dog will be a standard poodle, a fantastic, bright, all round fab breed.

Inthepotty Thu 11-Oct-12 10:12:34

Labradoodles needs all differ as no two are the same. For instance, Labs in general need about 2 hours as adult dogs- a labxpoodle crossed with a standard poodle will have different needs than a labxminature poodle cross lab, IYSWIM.

D0oinMeCleanin Thu 11-Oct-12 10:12:44

I don't think deliberate cross breeding is a good thing given that dogs of all breeds are already over populated, creating more breeds for the sake of fashion is adding to the problem.

All doodle breeders are in it for the money, they are not a recognised breed, so there is no other possible reason to keep creating them, plus they've sparked a very stupid trend of cross breeding anything and everything together to make yet more breeds, my sister recently told me she wants a Jug, what the fuck is jug I ask you? I advised her that they were on sale in Wilkos last time I looked, if a plastic jug was all she needed, she'd only be looking at 70p, she was not impressed.

Many if not most doodle breeders, do not health test the parents, meaning that a lot of doodles do have health problems.

There are more than enough good family breeds out there already - Labradors, Retrievers, Staffies, Greyhounds, CKC Spaniels to name but a few. We don't need more breeds, rescues certainly do not need more breeds.

Cross breeding for certain traits is a risk. You could end up with a dog that is 99% lab, you could end up with a dog that is 99% poodle. Of course there are then the 2nd gen, third gen etc, where you are more likely to be able to predict what sort of cross you will get, but again it's only more likely, it's not an exact science.

Labradoodle Trust advises people with allergies who want a non shedding dog not to get a doodle. Staffies don't shed much and they're good family dogs.

OhDeerHauntingFENTON Thu 11-Oct-12 10:16:16

I've got a lab border collie cross, and he is just the best dog in the world (yes, he is).

He's intelligent, gentle, affectionate and obedient.

And he moults like a bastard. It matters not though because he is perfect in every other way - and besides it actually gets me vacuuming much more than I used to which was rarely wink

EdgarAllanPond Thu 11-Oct-12 10:19:14

the labradoodle trust

MrsWolowitz Thu 11-Oct-12 10:20:16

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EdgarAllanPond Thu 11-Oct-12 10:24:14

and this bit which says pretty much everything i would say on the subject.

rehome a poodle

lab rescue i'm sure would have plenty needing homes too.

EdgarAllanPond Thu 11-Oct-12 10:28:57

of course, if you insist, make sure you see mother and puppies togther, don't buy from Wales, or anyone who does home delivery, google the breeders phone number - any other litters for sale = a puppy farmer
insist on seeing hip scores, eye certs as a minimum - Sebaceous adenitis skin punch

so many puppy farmers sell doodles, and some are very good at disguising the nature of the operation.

seeker Thu 11-Oct-12 10:30:07

"I get your points but I disagree about doodles being ethically wrong"

So you don't get our points, then!.

AgathaFusty Thu 11-Oct-12 10:35:34

Everytime I take our Standard Poodle out someone asks if he is a labradoodle, because he is clipped to the same length all over with no shaved areas. He's nearly 13, so that's an awful lot of people who have mistaken him for a labradoodle over the years.

MrsW - I think people are only questioning your choice because there are so many unethical 'breeders' of lab/poodle crosses. There is also a huge rehoming problem with them because, as other posters have said, they very often turn out to be not what people wanted or expected.

MrsWolowitz Thu 11-Oct-12 10:36:20

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MrsWolowitz Thu 11-Oct-12 10:38:37

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seeker Thu 11-Oct-12 10:44:04


If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

AgathaFusty Thu 11-Oct-12 10:57:52

It's not just puppy farming though. It's the many, many breeders who are breeding their lab with a mate's poodle, or advertising for a stud poodle for their lab, without running all the checks that a knowledgable and experienced breeder would do, without understanding how pedigrees etc work.

Unfortunately, because there is such a high demand for these x-breed puppies people are happy to pay a high price for them, so lots of people are seeing it as a way to make a few quid. They are not running puppy farms, they're just having one litter at a time, maybe just one a year. But they are lacking in integrity and the knowledge to breed properly. Many are advertising the pups as 'raised in a home' used to children' etc etc so they sound ok.

There is a woman near to us who is one of these 'breeders'. I've met around a dozen or so dogs who were bred by her. Several of their owners have told me that she is very reputable and the local expert on these dogs. None of these puppies/dogs look alike, some moult and some don't. They vary in size and build. They also vary considerably in temperament, although that is probably down to their owners as much as anything. One man told me that they had rehomed the first puppy they had from the breeder after a year because it moulted, but they went straight back for another one to try again confused.

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