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Golden retriever advice on everything!

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Pinkbear Wed 10-Oct-12 16:36:46

Hi there
Have a cocker lab cross who's 3 and lost our pure lab at 15 at the beggining of the year

Have seen a local breeder has golden retriever puppies

I'm wondering about how others have found temperament as appears to the lab are they simalar dogs how are they wih children

As a dog owner already I already do walks etc... And know the drill wih puppies

I basically need to know am I crazy to consider it? I've always planed o get another lab at some point but alway thought retrievers are really beautiful dogs and I've never sent them advertised locally before

greeneyed Wed 17-Oct-12 10:52:00

Oh okay that's a bit far away to ask you for some training sessions smile Any books or methods you recommend? I have been going back to basics this week with my boy out with some cheese in my pocket and he will do anything for a bit of cheese, perfect as puppy school a few years ago so I don't have an issue with basic commands - my problems are he will do nothing if he does not first establish there is something in it for him. He is atrocious when people come to the house, jumping on them and barking incessantly for attention for about 10 minutes. He steels food when out and about and will move heaven and earth to get to any food item even when on lead. He will lunge at and bark aggressively at dogs on lead or behind gates again with a speed and tenacity that could pull you over. - The leave command would be so good to master however I just don't know if I'll ever be able to override his manic craving for food. Would any amount of training stop him trying with all his will to get that piece of toast in the hedgerow? Even the vets said I probably wouldn't be able to overide this instinct with him.

midori1999 Wed 17-Oct-12 10:41:29

I am in Scotland at the moment Greeneyed, but we do move around a bit due to my DH's job.

greeneyed Tue 16-Oct-12 22:40:37

You might also want to try guidedogs for the blind for dogs who don't pass the training, though I understand there is quite a waiting list for these! Midori where in the country are you based?

midori1999 Tue 16-Oct-12 22:10:10

Phacelia, regarding walking, I cannot see any problem if the dog is trained to walk properly to heel. My dogs are trained to walk to heel both on and off the leads and they never pull, even if they get excited/see something. he lead is just a 'formality' of sorts really. Plus, you could always use a halti or similar just to be absolutely sure. However, my 16 month old can hold my dog's leads, they are trained to voice commands. You may be able to find a rescue already trained like this or you may be able to get help to train one.

I do think it would be wise in your situation to consider a dog walker so all eventualities are covered.

If you look on the Golden Retriever breed club websites you will find the breed rescues run by the breed clubs and these may be able to help you.

Phacelia Tue 16-Oct-12 11:55:03

Thank you greeneyed I have to confess that hosing/drying the dog after a walk might be pretty exhausting for me. I do get really tired doing any repetitive movements.

I guess in terms of holding a dog back I could tie the lead to my scooter?

I think I need to find a local owner who might let me accompany them on a walk, and so I can see the reality for myself and have a go and being in charge of one on the lead etc.

greeneyed Sun 14-Oct-12 22:33:55

Should say training

greeneyed Sun 14-Oct-12 22:30:19

Phacelia, the length of walking and one a day would be fine for my dog who is 5. That said I would not recommend him to someone less mobile just down to the size and strength of the animal - he pulled our last dog walker over and can be incredibly difficult to hold back if he wants to get to something, in addition consider that the dog will often need hosing and towelling after a walk (something they may resist) lifting into a car (when they are older and less mobile themselves), dragging into the vets or wherever they are frightened to go etc etc. Now clearly mine isn't a great example and some retrivers are assistance dogs so I'd say it's possible but you'd need to do a lot of research about the individual dog and it's traing

Phacelia Sun 14-Oct-12 19:32:02

Can I jump on this thread and ask if people think I would cope with a GR?

I am desperate for one, desperate but I won't get one if my research tells me it's not right for me.

I have a disability; I would be able to walk the dog for an hour/maybe longer most days (thanks to a speedy mobility scooter and lots of local disabled friendly walks which go for miles). But I'm not well enough to do 2 walks a day every day. I live in an area with lots of dog walkers so I'm hoping perhaps I could offer to walk someone's dog a couple of days a week if they end up taking mine out on the others, but obviously haven't asked anyone yet so have no idea if anyone would even be amenable to that. I have a lovely long garden (last owners had an Alsation which I know loved playing ball in the garden) so if it couldn't have a second walk a day I could throw a ball for 20 mins so it could run around; but is that enough?

My ideal dog would be a rescue GR of about 6 or 7 which isn't massively energetic. But it seems there aren't many GRs in resues (but then I haven't called any breed specific rescues, there might be more than I think). I'm just so eager to find a way to have one of these gorgeous dogs, and of course a different breed would still be lovely if I can't find a way to make it work, having owned other dogs in my life, but it wouldn't be the same.

castlelough Fri 12-Oct-12 22:59:33

Ooh I want a Golden Retriever. Just have to wait til I move out of our rented accommodation and into our own house! Can't wait!
DH has always had dogs growing up, but for me it will be my first (despite coveting a dog for the past 30 years!) and I think they found like a lovely breed for a beginner.
Will be living on a farm, plenty of space and lots of walking!

GingerWrath Fri 12-Oct-12 20:37:27

Waves at Midori! I had a rescued golden retriever called Ernie. He was the most laid back, insanely friendly dog ever. He had a liking for all things smelly, especially fox poo, but he loved us and accepted when I had my daughter. We had to have him PTS at 14 when all his organs were failing.

We now have a 9 month old black lab....just as daft as Ernie, but stupid with it!

Bramblesinafield Fri 12-Oct-12 20:26:17

Ah yes, my lawn ...

hoodoo12345 Fri 12-Oct-12 13:18:38

I have a Goldie Bitch (Willow) she is almost two now, and she is wonderful,
very friendly with everyone and calm in the house.
For the first year though she completely trashed my garden with digging the lawn up and ripping chunks out of the hedge, she is a lot better now, just the occasional twig or two!

Bramblesinafield Fri 12-Oct-12 08:54:54

Green eyed, our wonderful boys give and give but they need boundaries as much as the children and husbands we worked from a great book called 'the culture clash' which we still use now. We also went to a local well recommended trainer, who works on the reward system - using incentives suited to each breed. We're going back soon to do our next level. I'm sure you and your boy will enjoy the interaction and mental stimulation of more training.

My boy has gone from high school drop out to Navy Seal in terms of his compliance now he knows I have bits of chicken rather than cheese. Just don't tell the 8 chickens at the end of the garden! Can't wait to see how he performs out in the fields later today.

greeneyed Fri 12-Oct-12 08:21:59

Oh midori what an amazing offer, I'd pay YOu if you could do that smile this thread had made me realise we need to probably at least try to address some of his "issues"

midori1999 Fri 12-Oct-12 08:16:18

greeneyed at risk of sounding like a 'scary dog breeder', if I bred your puppy I will gladly give you your money back in return for your dog so I can properly train him... you can even have him back afterwards as it's obvious how much you love him! smile

Bramblesinafield Fri 12-Oct-12 08:02:45

Mine chats all the time and gets very excited about walks or food. We're lucky to have some great offlead places nearby, lots with water.
My youngest has medical needs and was getting very self conscious. Our boy has brought him out of himself and given him his confidence back.
Out with meaty snacks today to work on that recall.

Bossybritches22 Thu 11-Oct-12 23:04:43

Oh my Goldie "grumbles " too- if you aren't being quick enough getting the food out/ wellie's on, it's quite funny!

Mine also does a little dance too when excited, skitters around like a supermodel in kitten heels as soon as she hears us get up in the morning & then sits at the bottom of the stairs grumbling till breakfast is served!

FlouryWhiteBaps Thu 11-Oct-12 22:57:39

Our boy is 7.5, his nickname is the Hairy Hoover, and he is just gorgeous. We got him when he was four, and he cured our dc of their nervousness around dogs (which was threatening to develop into a phobia tbh) within days of his arrival.

He's a huge, gentle, daft, affectionate, greedy mud-magnet who loves nothing more than walking around with dh's toxic socks in his mouth and thinks in his head he's a dainty lapdog; any attempt I make to get down on the floor to play with the dc results in a seven stone chunk of dog flopping onto my knee eager to give my ears a good wash.

You can't go wrong with a Goldie but I'd be taking up Midori's kind offer regaring checking out the breeder if I were you.

MaryZed Thu 11-Oct-12 21:49:52

Oh dear.

I have to say, exercise was the answer for ours.

An hour a day off lead, at least, kept him sane.

A bit like dh, actually; if he doesn't train every day, he gets horrible.

greeneyed Thu 11-Oct-12 21:46:47

He is neutered didn't seem to make a blind bit of difference though at least I don't have to worry about him going off in search of bitches as well as food! I know we need to do a LOT of work with him but we just dont seem to be able to commit the time to it at the moment and we just live with it all - he's not all bad, he's fine to be left can get a 10 minute walk or a two hour one doesn't really make any odds to him, good in the house etc - the main problems are around other people so they all think he is horrendous whereas most of the time at home he's fine. Doesn't help when we want someone to look after him for us though there's a resounding chorus of "no" smile

MaryZed Thu 11-Oct-12 21:39:20

Um, greeneyed, have you considered neutering?

I'm not sure if it is a sin to confess this here, but we had our neutered at about 2 1/2, because we had a family down the road with lots of bitches, and there seemed to be always one in heat which sent him bonkers.

He was much happier and more obedient after that. But we had to train continuously - he could do it, he knew exactly what he should do, he was just too intelligent to obey sometimes. And he was unbribeable.

Having said that he never jumped up, ever (that was important as we had a lot of children coming to the house), he would always "wait" until released, and he didn't bark (much).

My kids called him the hoover, though, which he was.

greeneyed Thu 11-Oct-12 21:25:18

Oh and midori if you are our breeder can we have our money back please! smile

greeneyed Thu 11-Oct-12 21:21:50

Oh dear not sure I should comment - well where do I start? first off i should say I love my boy so much - As far as I am concerned he is my hairy adopted son. (with special needs!)

Good points

He's a big beautiful bear and his brown eyes melt you.
He's good with my 3 yr old who he allows to climb all over him.
He's a good house dog - boy does he bark!!

Bad points

Of course all the usual stuff with fox pooh, eating dead animals poo, rolling etc hair dirt etc but that's just being a dog and doing doggy things

Barking ear split-tingly loud and usually for attention, he also grumbles all the time but this is just funny, he is extremely vocal. if he was a man you would definitely say he is entitled, he thinks he's entitled to everything smile
He is "known" locally for stealing food, raiding picnics and can often be found upside down in a council bin. - Now retrievers are food obsessed but i guess you'll be used to that with labs!
He is completely stubborn and often has sit down/lie down protests, generally ignores commands and pleases himself.
Despite being incredibly well socialised and every dogs best friend when he was younger he has now become aggressive towards dogs on the lead or behind gates, never when they can actually get to him as he is really just a big wuss.
He is horrendous when people come to the house, barking and jumping for ages, this is a bit of a nightmare with elderly relatives or kids who he could just bail over!
The first two years were hell and my garden came off worse.

He is known by my family and friends as various things, i.e the monster, the beast, brutus etc

Now before you all jump up and down and say well that's how I've made him - we got him from a very reputable breeder took loads of advice followed the books, puppy classes etc but that boy was entitled from the moment he walked through the door smile

Now would I swap him for the world - no!

In addition I have family members who have had two other males who have had very similar traits, I've also had a bitch and she was the opposite, the most obedient people pleasing dog on the planet (a bit boring to honest) I wanted a bitch and couldn't even get my name down for one for love nor money, was persuaded by the breeder that a dog would be just as good (despite my protestations about the two other boys I knew) Anyway I wouldn't change things - he IS a handful but almost daily I have a different dog story to tell and hopefully I'll be able to write a best seller like Marley and Me one day!!

MaryZed Thu 11-Oct-12 21:16:45

It is odd that there are five, isn't it.

Where I am (Ireland) any good breeders have a waiting list before the puppies are even born. They are like gold-dust, goldies from good breeders.

midori1999 Thu 11-Oct-12 20:53:59

Stud dog and bitch living far apart is a good sign, but 5 puppies left available would ring alarm bells for me. KC reg is good, you won't find a decent breeder who doesn't KC register, but it's not a mark of quality alone sadly, plenty of dreadful breeders so KC register.

I am just feeding the baby to sleep at the moment, so it's hard to type too much, but if you want to PM me with the breeers name/kennel club affix and/or the stud dog's name then I may know of them and be able to reassure you.

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