I'm leaving the site

[emptyshell]

I'm not welcome here anymore - am asking around about how I get my account deleted but didn't want to vanish here without letting the one decent corner of this cesspool of oestrogen know where I'd gone.

Love, hugs and sloppy wet noses to you all.

[OracleInaCoracle]

whats happened? i was thinking of you last night.

[minimu1]

Have I missed something? you have as much right to be here as anyone else.

[Blackduck]

Hi empytyshell, haven't really come across you, but saw you fab post on the teacher bashing thread yesterday. It is all a bit bonkers round here at the moment, I largely hide on a few threads/topics and avoid the rest!

[emptyshell]

AIBU... some witch saying that women without children shouldn't be teachers. I can cope with all the crap that life's thrown at me in terms of miscarriages and fertility problems and everyting (which is why I ended up here in the first place) - well actually, who am I kidding, I don't cope at all, I just exist through the pain of it - but when people think it's fucking OK to rub your nose in it and say you shouldn't be doing your job which is the one thing in your life you don't fuck up and are actually confident you're good at... I've been mulling over it and being upset about it all night.

I can't help my body's fuckups - but I'm sick to death of being judged and condemned for them as well. I barely cope to start with - the stroppy strong stuff is all just bravado but I've had enough. Had enough of the dog-owner bashing, especially bashing those who have dogs instead of kids (god forbid), we're in for a summer of teacher bashing anyway - but when it's rubbing my nose in it about the miscarriages and fertility problems that I've just ticked over another year on birthday and not achieved anything on that front since the last MC fucked my body up so badly I don't even have a chance anymore... I need to pull the plug I think

[emptyshell]

Just you guys are nice on here so I wanted you to know that you're the only sane ones.

[Bucharest]

emptyshell- sorry, I don't want you to think I'm stalking you.

Please, ignore ignore ignore.

I don't "know" you, at all, (no doggy!) but some comments on that thread are appallingly insensitive. Report those comments to HQ rather than leave.

[OracleInaCoracle]

emptyshell, I have to get ds to school but I want to post a proper reply to you. please dont leave just yet. I understand where you are coming from, I have nt read the thread in question, but will as soon as I get back from school. not everyone is like that on here.

[Threadworm8]

God, I'm sorry to hear all that, emptyshell. For what it's worth I have massive respect for the perspectives teachers bring on my sons, regardless of whether they have children. It's precisely a teachers perspective, not a parental one that I need from them -- it gives me insights that the parenting point of view just lacks. Another parent talking to me about my children is exactly what I don't want from a teacher.

[Blackduck]

ES - oh so sorry - didn't see that post - and what a crock of crap!! That would mean the likes of my son's brill male NQT wouldn't be there and anyway parenting and teaching are two different things!! And sorry to hear about your MCs and all that - is there really no hope? Take a break and remember 'only words on a screen'

[Avantia]

Ignore , ignore , just blank other threads out and stay on doghouse - I wantt to see how you get on with a strapon bushy tail !

If you feel strongly - just take a break but dont leave all together .

x

[minimu1]

What the f@@@!
So you can't be a Dr unless you have been ill
You can't be lawyer unless you have committed a crime


There is a huge flaw in that argument

emptyshell that sounds horrendous and cruel and just shows what an idiot they are - it shows them up not you. Ignore the B@@@@rs and stay with us in the cosy dog house.

Seriously though don't take what nutters say to heart

[emptyshell]

There's no hope - last one wrecked my body so badly and because of my weight (which ballooned when I made myself ill teaching a class with a really out of control boy whom I spent my life trying to protect the rest of the class from - so basically I killed my own chances of having a child to protect those of women like that utter witch on there) there's no help from the NHS. I shifted three stone in weight, got the dog to try to get me out and about and being more active - but I hit a wall and mentally I'm not strong enough to keep pushing through it all anymore.

Then you get crap like that thread - the one thing in life I am actually confident about is that, when I actually do some, I'm good teaching.

But nope - even that I have to be a failure and insignificant at. I just need to stop hanging around here - I can join in a bunfight with the best of them normally, but the bravado's all front-show and I'm not strong enough to keep up with that anymore I don't think. I was hurting all last night about the crap that witch said - that's when I need to draw a line in the sand, already bracing for the summer of evil looks cos I dare be out and about with the dog - and they really hurt enough when you're in my situation anyway and people think they can order you out of their park because they have a pushchair.

[Tortington]

when you are not in a good place mentally, mumsnet can fuck you up. sometimes its best to have a break

good luck xx

[AllTheYoungDoods]

Really sorry you feel that way empty, I haven't read the thread but it sounds utterly shite.

Why not sign off for the summer and maybe see how you feel about coming back in September when there'll be a whole crop of new mummies desperate for teachers' advice and all the dog haters will have gone away again because there might be a tinsy tiny bit of drizzle out!

[Ephiny]

I hope you don't go emptyshell :(. I get fed up with the dog-hating on here as well, have no idea where these people all come from as I rarely come across those attitudes in real life!

I haven't seen that teaching thread - and am resisting the temptation to go and look for it because it will make me so - can hardly believe someone would say such a stupid and outrageous thing though even on here! Especially knowing that there are posters who've suffered infertility, miscarriages, child bereavement etc.

Actually, now I think about it, I can believe it. I remember another thread a while ago where someone was saying they'd never be interested in the opinion (on any subject) of someone who didn't have children, because there was nothing they could possibly learn from someone who hadn't reproduced. I just can't imagine what is going through some people's heads sometimes.

I hope you don't leave, though understand if you feel like you need to take a break from this place for a while for your own sanity! FWIW I don't have children either, there are lots of us on here who don't for one reason or another and we have just as much right to be here as anyone :)

[CoffeeIsMyFriend]

emptyshell please dont let some eejits make you feel you need to leave. I have no idea what has gone on, but from reading your post on here I will be hiding that thread!
Actually I am hiding an awful lot of threads at the moment - MN has gone crazy with weird and insensitive posts of late.

Stay in the doghouse with us, it is where I come for a bit of sanity.

Ignore those who make you feel bad, Ignore the ones who dont have dogs (I have found those who HATE animals are best to be avoided anyway) and Ignore the ones who are teacher bashing. I have the hugest respect for teachers and I adore my DS teacher - she doesnt have children, but she 'gets' them totally and interacts with them so well.

(big un MN hug from me)

[greencolorpack]

Remember all the sane posters who sprang to the defence of non parents. Learn to filter out the witches. I bet everyone else will do the same. If they start threads, block them. Don't let a tiny minority dictate the site for you.

[ShowOfHands]

When twats say twattish things they don't mean it personally. They apply their twattery across the board. But if you're feeling fragile then of course it feels like the most painful and personal blow.

MN isn't like that at all. It's not cruel. Twats are and we don't have a TwatBlock feature yet but you do need the strength to laugh at them and treat their inane ramblings with the lack of attention they deserve.

I hope you have lots of rl support and do hope that perhaps you'll come back when you feel stronger.

Doesn't just have to be the doghouse either. I don't like dogs in the slightest but am probably quite nice and wouldn't judge you for a second for having a dog. I want an axolotl. What do I know?

[Happymm]

Empty shell, you must do what feels right for you during this obvious difficult time. But I hope you return to us at the doghouse as and when you can.

MN is a bit vile at the moment with people just being shits to each other just because of supposed anonymity and because they can. I think many just say things to get a reaction rather than believing the things they say-can you imagine their little sad lives, whereby their greatest enjoyment is being a bitch to others on the Internet? FFS!

My daughters teacher has no children, but this doesn't make her any less fabulous at her job. She's there to be her teacher, not to be a parent-that's my job to fuck up. Don't take shitty people's opinion to heart.

Take care of yourselves and ignore the twunts.

[onclefestere]

eeuw emptyshell. I also do not know you at all, but that is just a STUPID HORRID thing of that person to say. That's one of the silliest things I've ever heard. I have oodles of respect and time for teachers and I am so sorry you have been hurt by such a horrid remark. Rubbish. I know loads of teachers who have no children of their own - so what - it does not mean you cannot be a wonderful teacher.

[MumblingRagDoll]

Oh Emptyshell....it's very bad around here atm....it kind of spiralled a bit recently...I have also had some awful things said to me on here and usually ha a break from it and when I come back it's better...I hope you feel better soon....please don't think anymore about what the nasty witch said.

Of course it's not true! Teaching is a vocation and your posts and personality always seem far more balanced than many people on here....the person who said what she said must be imbalanced.

[minimu1]

It is up to you if a break is the right thing for you BUT do not take to heart any of what was said.

You know it is not right - you are having enough to deal with anyway so do not dwell on rubbish spoken by dorkheads

Get out this summer with your dog - feeling good and enjoying that holiday that will refuel your batteries to come back in September to continue to be that fab teacher that is touching and changing childrens lives

Head high women!

[OracleInaCoracle]

ok, Ive read the thread now. please don't feel that you have to leave. they dont understand how wretched the situation that you are in, is.

re the mc's. how are you going with your gp? what do you mean by the last mc messing your body up? what is your count now? have you been referred to a rmc clinic?

the problem is, people think that somehow you can prevent mc's. Ive had people assume I am a smoker, am underweight, am a drinker, because my babies wouldnt just die, would they? alternately, I am very oversensitiev about fertility issues. a few weeks ago I nearly flounced because of a posters opinions on fertility treatment.

[Suncottage]

emptyshell

You are probably a nicer person than that poster could ever wish to be.

There are some vile people on MN at the moment and I must admit I am finding myself hiding an astonishing amount of threads and thinking long and hard before joining any.

But your post really touched me.You are confident and successful in a profession that many fail at. A teacher that screws up in the classroom affect the lives of generations of kids. You are enriching the lives of generations of kids, continue to do so and do not let the 'opinion' of one stupid, moronic numpty get to you.