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Can we have a "OMG, just how BAD is The Tudors" thread please?

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beansprout Fri 08-Aug-08 21:05:50

Pretty please?

Elasticwoman Fri 08-Aug-08 21:12:30

sshh! everyone's watching it.

Are you an historian or something beansprout?

beansprout Fri 08-Aug-08 21:14:11

Not really, just have an interest in this period. smile

I didn't watch last week but it's already shockingly bad! grin

ipanemagirl Fri 08-Aug-08 22:20:48

OHMIGOD!!!! shock

It is so bad that it has gone through such extreme awfulness that it is almost wonderful in its badness!

The incalculable number of improbabilities!
The Royal Hand Job!
The pouting!
The Dialogue!
The actor playing Henry - such great HAMMING!!!
Suffolk shagging that lady in waiting with her baps out by that tree!!

But I do quite like the actress playing Anne, she is very lovely. But it's just all so wrong!

It's for the yanks innit?

liath Fri 08-Aug-08 22:34:30

It's so dreadful! But such a guilty pleasure grin.

Henry Tudor, the Soft Porn Years....

mazzystar Fri 08-Aug-08 22:38:23

it's hilarious
i didn't realise everyone was so --up for it-- good-looking in the olden days

TwoIfBySea Sat 09-Aug-08 00:03:35

I try to watch it in a way that I pretend I don't know anything about history. But I am studying history. It is too much! I know they said it is not a documentary and fair enough but it is like fingernails down a blackboard sometimes.

TinkerBellesMum Sat 09-Aug-08 00:16:36

I'm trying to appreciate it as a series and not over think what's happening in it.

Are PoV doing a showing with historians again this year to point out how bad it is? My TV is down at the moment (thankful for iplayer) so didn't see PoV last week.

TinkerBellesMum Sat 09-Aug-08 00:17:10

Def for Yanks!

beansprout Sat 09-Aug-08 09:12:06

Love the incident by the tree - "Turn 'round love, they can't see yer tits". grin

And er, wasn't Henry a good few years older than Anne? How old was he when he married K of Aragon then? Eight?!

hatcam Sat 09-Aug-08 09:24:50

Totally hilarious. I laughed so much I thought I might give birth (32 weeks). I just love the pouting to camera - very Crossroads in Tudor costume, a little bit Bold and the Beautiful.

The Royal hand job was a classic, but my favourite bit was the comedy covering up of parts with Tudor knick knacks at the end..."go find some more phallic objects to put in the foreground serf, lest we see the royal knob". Very Austin Powers (sausages in foreground etc).

What no suckling pigs though? Thought this was essential for any period costume feast seen? Oh pardon me, they were too busy finding a bangra beat for the indian dance scene (that'll be pre-exploration era then).

Still laughing into bran flakes. Can't wait for next week.

Elasticwoman Sat 09-Aug-08 10:39:17

I noticed Anne Boleyn forgot to put her vest on for the masked dancing.

As for Henry - come back Ray Winstone, all is forgiven!

cornsilk Sat 09-Aug-08 10:42:58

I love pouting Henry. It's fab - haven't seen this week's yet.

ipanemagirl Sat 09-Aug-08 11:12:42

The dancing! How totally utterly improbable!

TinkerBellesMum Sun 10-Aug-08 22:39:19

Just read in my baby name book that Harry has only been used as a shortening for Henry in the last 100 years. So much for "The time for 'Harry' has passed"!

expatinscotland Sun 10-Aug-08 22:43:51

dark-headed henry.

ann with blue eyes.

they did sort of okay with thomas more, he wasn't an attractive man, but he is very much recorded in history and NEVER made such a statement to the king.

he was a consummate stateman and diplomat but was far, far too clever to have affronted his king.

in fact, he tried just about everything to get out of it all.

henry immediately regretted having him executed and when thomas was asked if he bore any ill will towards ann bolelyn, he responded in the negative as he correctly predicted that she would one day meet a fate similar to his.

cornsilk Sun 10-Aug-08 23:51:27

why was thomas more executed?

ipanemagirl Mon 11-Aug-08 00:00:17

"He was beheaded in 1535 when he refused to sign the Act of Succession that would make Henry VIII Supreme Head of the Church in England." from wikipedia

He was very shrewd and never said anything without huge care, he tried to avoid the whole situation by retiring but his 'vote' counted for a lot as Henry knew.

Re Harry what about 'Cry ‘God for Harry, England, and Saint George!' from Henry V (1598ish)?

TinkerBellesMum Mon 11-Aug-08 00:06:16

Dunno, but that's what my baby name book said lol. I'll have a look in more places see if it's just something random in that book.

cornsilk Mon 11-Aug-08 00:06:33

I know bugger all about history. That's probably why this programme appeals to me. I did spot the hair though. And could Henry have been quite so camp?

VeronicaMars Mon 11-Aug-08 00:15:37

Here come the lap dancers grin

expatinscotland Mon 11-Aug-08 00:22:27

it was one line he (More) just couldn't bring himself to cross.

in theory, he had no genuine problems with many elements of Protestantism, indeed, his favourite daughter, margaret, was married to one. he did have a problem with Henry's use of it, however, as he believed, arguably rightly, that Henry was using it to force his own way rather than because of a true theological conflict of the conscience.

and so, the entire problem with his refusing to take that oath lasted years before he was finally executed.

he tried everything a man of his considerable intelligence could think of to get out of it, adhering to the immortal line, 'give unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's.'

thomas and his wife, however, being the clever people they were, did managed to hide most of their considerable assets (dame alice was his second wife, who brought to the marriage her own wealth after her first husband, like thomas's first wife, had died).

thomas was a strong proponent of women's education and the place of women in society, insisting that his three daughters, stepdaughters and his wealthy ward, who later married his only son, were educated to a standard that was remarkable for women of that age.

margaret roper, his daughter, was often termed 'the cleverest woman in christiandom' during her life.

'i die the king's good servant. but God's first.'

cornsilk Mon 11-Aug-08 00:26:21

Are you a historian expat? I am very impressed!

expatinscotland Mon 11-Aug-08 00:29:47

No. I was brought up a Roman Catholic. The church we attended was St. Thomas More, although most of what I have read about him from a historical standpoint is by secular historians as he is indeed an interesting subject.

We did have to read Utopia and some of his other work in philosophy class at university.

cornsilk Mon 11-Aug-08 00:33:32

Well I'm impressed that you've absorbed all that information anyway.

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