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PA Panorama thing on BBC 1 with the accusers

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Noeuf Mon 02-Dec-19 21:26:48

Anyone watching?

I'm having a hard time following a timeline.

doubleshotespresso Mon 02-Dec-19 21:30:18

Yes he is well and truly finished, I am sure Fergie must have smashed her television by now

ohweedoggie Mon 02-Dec-19 21:30:39


PurpleFrames Mon 02-Dec-19 21:32:59

I believe her

Noeuf Mon 02-Dec-19 21:34:35

It's tricky because the age of consent is different here. And I can't tell who he was found guilty for etc because it's a bit jumpy.
However overall he is clearly a total creep and PA an absolute sleaze. How could he not see anything?

nevergettingalong Mon 02-Dec-19 21:35:20

100% believe Virginia.

Noeuf Mon 02-Dec-19 21:35:57

I mean tricky to follow because it jumped a bit between the school and then a 22 year old. I need to better understand trafficking.

ohweedoggie Mon 02-Dec-19 21:37:08

Sorry was laughing at Fergie smashing her tv. Yeah she's believable.

Noeuf Mon 02-Dec-19 21:40:27

She is. So he was running some sort of travelling brothel? But with coercion/grooming?

Why just PA and no other 'names' in the frame and why haven't PA people come out to say where he was etc?

Schuyler Mon 02-Dec-19 21:53:09

Woah, that email from PA to GM saying they need to talk about Virginia Roberts! That’s pretty incriminating.

Noeuf Mon 02-Dec-19 21:54:46

Oh not there yet, am on catch up

I don't understand why Sarah R though he was a benefactor who would pay her through college.

Cremebrule Mon 02-Dec-19 21:57:11

I watched this wondering how GM hasn’t been prosecuted already. It’s even murkier than his carcrash interview. He can’t return from this.

Noeuf Mon 02-Dec-19 21:57:21

What is that thing on the sofa?

AutumnCrow Mon 02-Dec-19 22:04:02

Yeah he's finished.

If Ghislaine Maxwell ever surfaces, that will be one hell of a trial.

SapphosRock Mon 02-Dec-19 22:06:17

I believe her thanks

Noeuf Mon 02-Dec-19 22:08:42

I think he killed himself. I think they turned a blind eye.

Really love to hear GM version of events. Where is she?

CurlyWurlyTwirly Mon 02-Dec-19 22:11:10

Is it being repeated somewhere ?
I can’t access it on iPlayer

Noeuf Mon 02-Dec-19 22:13:22

It will probably turn up on YouTube shortly?

IcedPurple Mon 02-Dec-19 22:22:35

Someone please stick a fork into Airmiles Andy.

He's done.

Letseatgrandma Mon 02-Dec-19 22:24:50

Was she underage? Is that a different age there?

Inspiralcarpetry Mon 02-Dec-19 22:29:35

Vieginia really came across as credible.
I can understand why the other girl thought Epstein would be a 'benefactor'. These are vulnerable young girls, amongst billionaires for whom money literally buys anything. I can see why she thought she'd be well rewarded amongst so much money.
Sadly, Andrew, Epstein and Ghislaine's attitudes towards these girls was just as commodities and not human beings with lives and dreams.

Inspiralcarpetry Mon 02-Dec-19 22:30:18

Sorry, *Virginia!

comingintomyown Mon 02-Dec-19 22:37:20

Shocked at what I saw he’s so so guilty, of what exactly it’s hard to quantify but my goodness

Shinysun Mon 02-Dec-19 22:38:02

OP trafficking means moving/transporting for the purpose of exploitation

comingintomyown Mon 02-Dec-19 22:38:09

Sorry of what as in how much, of what wasn’t in doubt 😔

Womenwotlunch Mon 02-Dec-19 22:39:22

I believe her

Noeuf Mon 02-Dec-19 22:43:01

@Shinysun thanks, I've only thought about in terms of a one off not knowing - paying for a better life, transported secretly and then finding out it's eg a nail bar or a brothel.

I meant the benefactor thing as in - did she not realise there would be a catch?

bullyingadvice2017 Mon 02-Dec-19 22:57:03

I believe her. It was quite obvious from his interview that he's spent his whole life being used to spouting some bullshit and everyone nodding and smiling whilst never calling him out on it. I think he honestly thought it had gone well....until it was aired.
I bet he's sweating now the dirty pig.

AhNowTed Mon 02-Dec-19 22:59:06

Believe her absolutely.

comingintomyown Mon 02-Dec-19 23:00:08

I agree bully god it’s nauseating

NotStayingIn Mon 02-Dec-19 23:00:31

I also found her really credible. Ghislaine Maxwell surely has got to be arrested and questioned. She sounds guilty as hell of enabling most of this to happen.

HollowTalk Mon 02-Dec-19 23:04:07

What really shocked me was that JB was targeting that school. That's really horrible.

I think it isn't the fact she's 17 (because that's legal here, though illegal in the US) it's the fact she was trafficked to have sex with JB's friends.

Cremebrule Mon 02-Dec-19 23:04:41

I also thought it was interesting that they were dropping hints about presidents of the US. There has got to be more dirt to come.

Gingerkittykat Mon 02-Dec-19 23:13:24

here is the link to the programme on iplayer.

WineIsMyCarb Mon 02-Dec-19 23:19:23

Yes @Noeuf - I spotted that too, in the lawyer's office. Creepy.
Also I noticed a few lingering shots over his naked female figure bookcases. Reading between the lines...

There are a lot more questions than answers raised by this one, I think.

100% believe Virginia, of course.
But that email from PA to GM is incriminating indeed, particularly considering PA was claiming to have never heard of Virginia in the Maitliss interview.

AutumnCrow Mon 02-Dec-19 23:32:41

I bet that subsequent phone call was taped by a spook.

Noeuf Mon 02-Dec-19 23:33:40

Like some puppet thing?

I think it's interesting no more names have come out.

Ohfrigginghellers Tue 03-Dec-19 07:39:03

And the sleazy president of the United states cozying up to him at a party - yuk!

HollowTalk Tue 03-Dec-19 15:52:06

There were rumours that both Clinton and Trump had been to the island. Both Clintons were said to have gone at times and at other times, just Bill. Everyone's denied it.

NC4this123 Tue 03-Dec-19 15:53:32

Can’t find this in catch up anyone know how to find it? Thanks

ageingdisgracefully Tue 03-Dec-19 16:44:08

If you open iPlayer, it's on the top line. Tried to share link, but tech failed! blush

applecatchers36 Thu 05-Dec-19 22:09:53

Totally believe Virginia she sounded genuine unlike PA in the Emily Maitliss interview.
It was sinister the way they recruited vulnerable young girls to exploit. What motivated PA to maintain this friendship over many years even when he was a known sex offender?? They obviously offered something to PA that he wanted (access to young girls). It makes me so sick these entitled privileged males, they just viewed these girls as objects not as people. The royals should not be above the law PA needs to be interviewed by the victims lawyers.

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