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southeastdweller Fri 08-Nov-19 22:45:11

I'm so looking forward to seeing this when it returns next Sunday!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLXYfgpqb8A

guineapig1 Fri 08-Nov-19 22:49:59

I’m so excited too! Can’t decide whether to binge watch straight away or keep it for the Christmas holidays! Decisions...

PintofPinot Fri 08-Nov-19 23:02:31

I can't wait smile

NurseButtercup Sat 09-Nov-19 03:01:33

Marking my spot I've been impatiently waiting for this. Did you see Helena Bonham Carter and Olivia Coleman on Graham Norton?

southeastdweller Sat 09-Nov-19 13:22:08

Yes I thought they both came across well last night and seemed to be quite close. Anne Glenconner's book sounds very interesting.

guineapig1 Sun 10-Nov-19 17:36:40

Ha, I impulse bought the book on amazon at the end of the show!

VanyaHargreeves Sun 10-Nov-19 17:39:36

Really looking forward

mrscampbellblackagain Sun 10-Nov-19 18:03:07

I can't wait. The Lady Glenconner book is fab - a fascinating insight into the life of a woman of a certain class at a point in history.

blodynmawr Sun 10-Nov-19 18:56:57

I'm looking forward too.
Have re-watched S1 and S2 (for about the gazillionth timeblush) in anticipation.smile

Gingercat1223 Sun 10-Nov-19 19:46:46

Oh I just loved Lady Glenconner's book and seeing her on GN show last Friday. Apparently the book is flying off the shelves & being reprinted by publisher. Can't wait for The Crown next Sunday.

OldGrinch Sun 10-Nov-19 19:51:12

I can't wait either so excited!!

CoolCarrie Mon 11-Nov-19 11:30:03

I was disappointed with the rude behaviour of HBC and OC on graham Norton. Both talked to each other without including other guests , talking over other guests and graham, and olivia’s outfit did nothing for her.

TheresWaldo Mon 11-Nov-19 11:31:34

I can't wait either.

CoolCarrie Mon 11-Nov-19 11:32:36

Despite that, I am looking forward to the next series and am rewatching the previous series, Claire Foy will be hard to follow she is brilliant as QE.

mrscampbellblackagain Mon 11-Nov-19 12:04:44

OC had her back to Graham a lot which I thought very rude

AllTheWhoresOfMalta Mon 11-Nov-19 12:07:15

Placemark! Can’t wait.

southeastdweller Wed 13-Nov-19 11:04:29

Four days to go!

KurriKawari Fri 15-Nov-19 07:16:30

Forget OC, it's all about Josh!

southeastdweller Sat 16-Nov-19 20:09:27

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Doubleraspberry Sat 16-Nov-19 20:12:05

Just watched the trailer. A bit worried that I am not loving the new Philip. Hopefully my mind will be changed tomorrow.

Deadringer Sat 16-Nov-19 21:28:05

I agree that Claire Foy will be a hard act to follow, she was mesmerising in the role. I love Tobias Menzies, he is the main draw for me, he was brilliant in Outlander and I think he really looks the part. Can't wait.

snozzlemaid Sat 16-Nov-19 21:29:57

Yes, I'm expecting Tobias to be perfect as Phillip. He looks great, as they all do. Can't wait to see it.

RuffleCrow Sat 16-Nov-19 21:35:30

I'm cynical. Helena Bonham Carter is herself in everything. I don't think she has the subtlety or the range for Margaret. The previous actress was perfect.

TSSDNCOP Sat 16-Nov-19 21:41:21

I am swinging between can’t wait and fear that OC will undo all the magic Claire Foy brought. It was the understated performance that nailed it. I’m not convinced OC can understate.

EleanorReally Sat 16-Nov-19 21:42:57

excited and nervous.she didnt wear contacts so we have to suspend belief about eye colour.

plus i am worried the story will still be fascinating

VanyaHargreeves Sat 16-Nov-19 21:44:17

There's an anecdote they've been repeating that Olivia kept breaking character and crying at a Margaret speech so they had to put the Shipping Forecast on concealed earphones, so she could maintain character and have a muted response

JudgeRindersMinder Sat 16-Nov-19 21:45:46

Can’t wait till it airs tomorrow -I’m kidding myself if I think it’ll be anything other than a binge!
Trying really hard to keep an open mind about the new cast, but they have one hell of a hard act to follow

KurriKawari Sat 16-Nov-19 23:16:47

Claire Foy was amazing, wish they'd use make up or something to age her. Find OC so annoying

StripyTShirt Sun 17-Nov-19 08:47:33

Currently sat watching Fireman Sam (DS2's orders😭) and itching to get Netflix on!!

Newjobnewstart Sun 17-Nov-19 09:12:29

Im on episode 2 loving it! Got up at 6 and it didnt air till 8am 🙈

Doubleraspberry Sun 17-Nov-19 10:43:40

We had a little fantasy of hunkering down for the day, ordering takeaway and watching the lot. But sadly we have a house full of kids, chores to do and friends for lunch. TV currently showing an LOL unboxing on YouTube...

EleanorReally Sun 17-Nov-19 11:16:07

Enjoying episode 1, Tobias Menzies is great particularly

vivacian Sun 17-Nov-19 12:01:00

Enjoyed the first episode. I think Menzies stole the show. I found Wilson more interesting than Margaret.

southeastdweller Sun 17-Nov-19 12:32:24

I've watched the first three and agree that Tobias Menzies is very good as Philip. I'm struggling with HBC as Princess Margaret as she looks too old to pass as mid-30s, looks nothing like PM and is too familiar to me from her other roles.

The third episode about the Aberfan tragedy in 1966 and the Queen's reaction to it is horribly sad.

Avihoot Sun 17-Nov-19 12:37:13

I've watched episode one. I am hoping I can pace myself a bit and only watch an episode a day. I am not sure I am liking the new cast. Tobias Menzies is great, but I never really believed in Olivia Colman and she certainly hasn't captured the voice or demeanour of the queen. HBC always seems to play the same character in whatever she is in. She is a closer match for Vanessa Kirby than OC is for CF, but still not as good as VK. I appreciate they are going to cover the next 20 years of their lives, but both actresses currently look too old for their characters.

Also, now it is in 1964 it is within my lifetime. I am wondering if seeing events and people I remember as opposed to events and people from before my time, means the whole story has lost some of its appeal.

RuffleCrow Sun 17-Nov-19 12:39:47

Watching S3 S1 now. Fantastic.

It took me a while to adjust to the new cast but actually, now I think it was absolutely the right decision. OC and HBC and TM each bring something additional to their roles that their predecessors couldn't have: decades of additional life experience. If i wasn't approaching 40 myself I don't think i'd fully appreciate that.

ManonBlackbeak Sun 17-Nov-19 13:57:29

Ive just watched episode 1 and came on to say how good I think the new Philip is. I loved Matt Smith in the first two series and was worried he was irreplacable, but actually I was very pleasantly surprised.

They do all look slightly too old at the moment, but as the series goes on it was adjust im sure as the previous cast would have been too young to pass as parents to adult Prince Charles and Princess Ann.

Wilson is interesting, Ive heard those spy rumours about him before but in all honesty I just think the establishment in this country are shit scared of socialism. He was very well thought of and remembered by my late grandparents, honest hard working class people who'd lived through WW2 and under Churchill...

TheCanterburyWhales Sun 17-Nov-19 14:06:31

Just about to begin episode 2.
I think they have absolutely nailed it with the casting. Olivia Colman is a trillion times better than Clare Foy who I just sat watching thinking "who does she think she's playing?" Philip is a trillion times better than Matt Smith who I have decided just plays the same "I'm mad me" egocentric twat in everything. Harold Wilson is divine. HBC possibly weakest link as tbh, slap a wand in her mitts and she's still Bellatrix.
Much more interesting period of history for me as well as I can remember most of it!

RuffleCrow Sun 17-Nov-19 14:33:34

The thing about Claire Foy was - she seemed to have the Queen's public persona down brilliantly - the calm, collected stoical figure, but even at moments of high emotion we only got a glimpse of the emotional state beneath. Olivia Colman is giving us more of an interpretation of the humam being beneath the composure, i think (then again that's what OC does).

GiantKitten Sun 17-Nov-19 14:40:29

Avihoot
Also, now it is in 1964 it is within my lifetime. I am wondering if seeing events and people I remember as opposed to events and people from before my time, means the whole story has lost some of its appeal.

I was born in 1951 & still found the first 2 series gripping smile (though I did have some serious niggles about historical accuracy of petty minor details!)

bizzey Sun 17-Nov-19 15:15:33

NOOOOO I have not read any comments yet as i am all settled for a binge...and ...and It have froze on me !!
Dont know if it is "my netflix" , netflix or what .
Anyone else with problems ?
Just saying " trouble playing this title at the moment"

ManonBlackbeak Sun 17-Nov-19 16:12:23

Ive had problems with it freezing as well.

The Aberfan episode is excellent isn't it?

GiantKitten Sun 17-Nov-19 16:28:09

This is interesting. (Esp the comparison with Diana’s death.)

Terrible that they’ve never had counselling until now.

www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/nov/17/television-drama-the-crown-portrays-aberfan-disaster

KurriKawari Sun 17-Nov-19 16:34:46

Am saving this for Christmas when I have a few days off. So glad the reviews have been really positive!

bizzey Sun 17-Nov-19 17:17:28

Crisis sorted !!
Unplugged things and then put back in .
Upto ep 3 now .

SisterFarAway Sun 17-Nov-19 17:49:46

Currently watching episode five.

Is it just me or does Tobias Menzies as Price Philip almost sound like Prince Charles?

Cried my eyes out over the Aberfan episode.

On the plus side of all that binge watching I have done all my ironing.

EoinMcLovesCakeJumper Sun 17-Nov-19 18:37:52

I'm just onto episode 4. Loving Princess Anne's unimpressed attitude to just about everything, and the brief glimpse of Barbara Castle.

I'm not sure about HBC yet - for one thing, she's almost ten years older than OC so not a very convincing younger sister. I'm not really seeing her as Margaret in the way I did Vanessa Kirby.

VanyaHargreeves Sun 17-Nov-19 18:45:22

Only on Episode 2 BUT Vanessa Kirby was MUCH better than HBC she drops the clipped old school upper class accent in favour of what is essentially her own voice

VanyaHargreeves Sun 17-Nov-19 19:18:09

Christ the Aberfan episode, I've only started it and it's devastatingly sad

MrsGrindah Sun 17-Nov-19 19:26:47

I think HBC is hopelessly miscast. She’s not even trying to capture the essence of Margaret and looks nothing like her. They’d have been better off casting an unknown actress ( I always thought Claire Foy looked more like Margaret rather than Queenie but she completely captured her). OC is trying but her voice is too distinctive.

CaptainMyCaptain Sun 17-Nov-19 19:27:22

I've watched the first two. We're definitely within my memory now. I can remember being taken to a railway bridge to watch the train carrying Winston Churchill's body to Oxfordshire for his funeral - there was a small crowd paying their respects. I can remember the disapproval of Princess M's carrying on and the excitement at Wilson being elected. My teacher in top juniors (yr6) took us to watch TV in the dinner hall so we could see HW standing on the steps of number 10. Not seen the Aberfan episode yet but remember the tragedy very clearly.

VanyaHargreeves Sun 17-Nov-19 19:35:01

The two very young girls as the young Princesses doing the accents do a much better job...

AllTheWhoresOfMalta Sun 17-Nov-19 19:39:49

Starting this later so placemarking.

MurrayTheMonk Sun 17-Nov-19 19:42:09

I'm on episode two-and loving it.

VanyaHargreeves Sun 17-Nov-19 19:47:03

Also, I doubt this was the creators intention but Margaret though a fascinating character in small doses must have been a right fucking pain in the arse in all respects in real life.

Andylion Sun 17-Nov-19 19:50:07

* I love Tobias Menzies, he is the main draw for me, he was brilliant in Outlander*

I agree 100% with this!

CaptainMyCaptain Sun 17-Nov-19 20:02:54

Also, I doubt this was the creators intention but Margaret though a fascinating character in small doses must have been a right fucking pain in the arse in all respects in real life. she was a massive pita though, it was well known. Read Ma'am darling by Craig Brown.

RuffleCrow Sun 17-Nov-19 20:03:53

I was actually surprised at how much HBC seemed to blend into the role VK had left behind. She's never struck me as a 'blender' but then I'm only an episode in. I may change my mind again.

Housewife2010 Sun 17-Nov-19 20:11:54

Olivia Colman looks far too old to play a 38 year old Queen. She looks well into her fifties in The Crown ( I know she's 45 IRL but looks much older here).

vivacian Sun 17-Nov-19 20:12:40

Episode 3, Aberfan is a difficult watch.

I love Olivia Coleman and want to like her in this, but so far it's hit and miss for me. I'm not really getting a feel for Bonham-Carter's Margaret either.

Still loving Harold Wilson and Prince Philip. Going to hold off watching another episode until tomorrow.

sureiscold Sun 17-Nov-19 20:18:50

Hello! I'm new here. I haven't seen s1 or 2 but I really want to watch 3! Can I pick it up? Or should I watch the first two?

Awrite Sun 17-Nov-19 20:19:47

Yy to Tobias's voice sounding very Prince Charles-like.

The limericks of episode 2 were hilarious.

The sadness and horror of episode 3 is heartbreaking.

Not keen on either OC or HBC but I think we were spoiled with CF and VK.

Awrite Sun 17-Nov-19 20:21:17

@sureiscold - definitely watched 1 and 2 first

Mooey89 Sun 17-Nov-19 20:26:02

I’m really struggling with the aberfan episode

VanyaHargreeves Sun 17-Nov-19 20:26:36

Oh absolutely 1 and 2 first

Brilliant telly

Fireextinguished Sun 17-Nov-19 20:32:09

Don't normally do Netflix. Planning on signing up for a month. Is all the new series available now or do you have to wait for it to be released?

southeastdweller Sun 17-Nov-19 20:37:04

Yes it's all available now, all ten episodes.

kenandbarbie Sun 17-Nov-19 20:37:14

I'm on episode 7! Yey me! Where are you up to?

Reallybadidea Sun 17-Nov-19 20:41:54

Loving the series so far, however a line in episode 3 jarred: "the families sung a hymn". Surely it should be sang?

onemorecakeplease Sun 17-Nov-19 21:10:47

This is out today???? God I love mumsnet I'm away to get out of the bath and head for bed!
Thanks whoever started this thread!!!

Fireextinguished Sun 17-Nov-19 21:19:03

Thank you. Marathon session planning started.

mazylou Sun 17-Nov-19 21:51:27

And watched it all. My partner was delayed flying back home by 24 hours, had to be done.

Interesting new cast, I thought HBC smashed the Washington episode, but really, a little old for the part. OC got the whole “I don’t have emotional reactions” down pat. And Harold Wilson was phenomenal.

BestIsWest Sun 17-Nov-19 22:07:34

Watched the first two episodes.
Loving Jason Watkins as Harold Wilson.

Warming to OC.

BonnesVacances Sun 17-Nov-19 22:16:11

I'm halfway through ep2 but am a bit distracted by the OC and HBC's terrible makeup. Super HD or whatever it's called is not doing it any favours!

So far I think the early actors tried harder at getting the right accents, but then I wondered if maybe they'd toned them down in RL? And it seems a bit lower budget and more dramatic. For example in the scene with the art guy, where it was obvious he and Philip were having words and then OC was gazing up at him. Considering it was all supposed to be hush hush, it was all a bit obvious imo. It would have piqued any reporter's interest surely? And OC didn't hide her disdain for him whereas I'm sure she would have hidden it well at the time.

southeastdweller Sun 17-Nov-19 22:30:30

Just watched episode five - 'Coup' - which I felt was a bit slow compared to the previous four episodes but there was fabulous acting from Charles Dance and Jane Lapotaire in their scene together.

UncleMatthewsEntrenchingTool Sun 17-Nov-19 22:35:44

I’ve started at the end and it’s fascinating how Charles and Camilla has been written. If the crown had been written 20 years ago the story would have been totally different.

I feel so sorry for the Charles character (I say character, I know the writers are twisting my feelings here.) When he finds out Camilla is marrying APB (I don’t think this is a spoiler!) and it’s worse because you just know what total disaster it will push him into shortly.

Haworthia Sun 17-Nov-19 22:41:49

Haven’t watched the Aberfan episode yet but, for those who are interested in finding out more, I really recommend this long read from the BBC. It is a breathtaking piece of journalism. It’s three years old now and I’ll never forget it.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-150d11df-c541-44a9-9332-560a19828c47

TSSDNCOP Sun 17-Nov-19 22:52:42

Aberfan.

Bloody heartbreaking.

VanyaHargreeves Sun 17-Nov-19 22:56:59

The Princess Anne actress is perfect

Haworthia Sun 17-Nov-19 23:06:12

Meant to say, the speech at the art exhibition in ep1 was pretty terrible, wasn’t it? I can’t imagine the Queen breaking character (as it were) to berate the traitor in a not-very-subtle way. And then for it to turn into a back and forth, with the man correcting her? Nah.

TSSDNCOP Sun 17-Nov-19 23:21:38

PA is bloody excellent.

EleanorReally Sun 17-Nov-19 23:23:49

Just seen Aberfan - so emotional sad
very very good episode

TooExtraImmatureCheddar Sun 17-Nov-19 23:25:53

I’ve watched the first 3 - thought the writing in ep 1 was shite, with the queen essentially flirting and doing “aren’t I just a silly ignoramus” with Anthony Blunt, followed by the weird speech. Totally agree with Haworthia. Plus slightly heavy-handed moaning about looking older at the beginning. Yawn. And I got the dates muddled and thought we had genuinely jumped forward 20 years because Olivia Colman and HBC look so much older than Clare Foy and Vanessa Kirby. Prince Edward was born in 1964, for Pete’s sake - but the children were conspicuous by their absence, and rightly so, because OC would have looked totally unrealistic as mother of a newborn.

Aberfan was heartbreaking, though. And I love Harold Wilson.

LadyIsabellaWrotham Sun 17-Nov-19 23:38:32

Placemarking - I got half way through episode 1 before Netflix crashed.

Conclusions so far:
Tobias Menzies is everything I hoped for.
With the squillions of quid they spent on this I think they should have saved a bit for better airbrush foundation or even some subtle digital de-aging of OC and HBC for the first couple of episodes. My big UHD telly is very much not making them look 38 and 34.
I like the MI5 bloke. Even though he’s a rather unsubtle Voice of Wikipedia giving us the facts he’s quite fanciable with it. Who’s the actor?
Some problems with the writing. Clunking exposition for Philip to explain to Liz who Gaitskell was - I realise that he’s not a well known figure nowadays but it really jarred. And when Liz picked the sleeping Churchill’s glasses from his hand to put them safely away I thought “oh that’s a lovely subtle and believable gesture. A lesser drama would have done something naff and out of character like having her kids his forehead”. Oh dear.
I know my emotional limits and I’m skipping episode 3 completely.

VanyaHargreeves Sun 17-Nov-19 23:45:52

I think they should have transitioned the actors midway into the series when it was more appropriate age wise. OC in that hair and clothes looks way older than her real age

Andylion Mon 18-Nov-19 00:48:00

Did anyone else see the miniseries Cambridge Spies? Simon West played Antony Blunt in that, too.

AllTheWhoresOfMalta Mon 18-Nov-19 01:40:09

I’m not sure I agree the OC looking too old. The Queen has never looked young or certainly not since she was very young in the early 50s. Part of this is probably how she dresses too. I also think that OC will grow into this part. Here’s a comparison of the real Queen at Aberfan next to OC. Yes, the Queen does look a little too fresh faced for OC to be believable as her. But then a few years later here’s a comparison and if anything OC looks younger than the Queen, certainly much more of a similar age. I just think these couple of early episodes have maybe started a bit early in the timeline. Maybe more realistic to have started with this new cast circa 1970.

And I do think HBC looks too old to be believable as 34 year old Margaret, but she’s got that dislikeable/lost thing down perfectly that Princess M was so famous for.

I’m only up to episode 3 but enjoying it so far. The A.V. club are reviewing two episodes a day for The next five days and have agreed with their take so far www.avclub.com/c/tv-review/the-crown/season-3?/c/tv-review/the-crown/season-3

RuffleCrow Mon 18-Nov-19 06:44:35

Some peopleon this thread seem mainly gleeful about being able to legitimately tell two women in the public eye they look 'too old'. angry

I really think the Peter Pan obsession our society is gripped with has a great deal to answer for. It's the quality of acting that counts. Tobias Menzies also looks far older than Philip at that age but not one person has mentioned it until now. I wonder why hmm

RuffleCrow Mon 18-Nov-19 06:53:41

And it's especially galling as both women are quite likely to be on this forum, as MC mums from the UK themselves, reading these comments from their own peers.

Allington Mon 18-Nov-19 06:53:49

Thought episode 1 terrible, episode 2, OKish but nothing special.

Then Aberfan, and it took off. Agonising, especially when OC is meeting the relatives and all she can do is shake hands and say something stilted and move on.

It was interesting her comments about only getting in the way in a crisis. Because the character shows someone who, while holding firmly onto the idea of the symbolic value of the monarchy (which is irrational), becomes terribly rational about not being able to 'do' something practical. Very believable, and very acute.

From what I have read it was the Queen (real, not CF/OC!) who insisted on 'joining up' when she turned 18. She wanted to do something practical to help, rather than take on a role of visiting people/making speeches. Equally, you could argue that any other 18 year old girl could have wielded a spanner, but only she could do the symbolic stuff.

TheCanterburyWhales Mon 18-Nov-19 06:54:02

Well, maybe they think he doesn't.
I don't think OC looks too old but HBC definitely does.
And nobody is saying "OC and HBC look old" They're saying "too old to play the role for which they have been cast".

TheCanterburyWhales Mon 18-Nov-19 06:59:42

Oh give over Ruffle. Have you read the ongoing thread calling various famous women (and men) every name under the sun? Or are Holly Willoughby and Meghan Markle easy meat because they're not MC? Or the threads about what a shit actress Emma Watson is?
We're just talking about the telly, not the sisterhood fgs.

Bluerussian Mon 18-Nov-19 07:07:53

I've been binge watching. It's great.

The cast is wonderful.

RuffleCrow Mon 18-Nov-19 07:08:29

I don't get on board with your race to the bottom @thecanterburywhales. hmm

Feminism doesn't magically stop being a responsibility when you switch on a screen in your living room. Interesting name btw.

Yoollyball Mon 18-Nov-19 07:13:42

I'm only on.episode one so reserving judgement. The queen is a lot less posh now though- it's a bit weird, she is suddenly talking to people more much more than she did in S1 & 2. Maybe because it's now the 60s, maybe different actress but it is making the transition harder for me.

vjg13 Mon 18-Nov-19 07:19:14

How many episodes are there? I'm trying to save it.

Doubleraspberry Mon 18-Nov-19 07:21:50

I liked a lot of it and I’m on board with OC and HBC. But far more than last time we found ourselves saying ‘she wouldn’t have said/done that’. It also feels like the dynamics with Philip have pretty much disappeared. He feels like a bit of a cypher character. The only flash of old Philip was in the Aberfan episode (which is as far as we’ve got). So I miss that element.

TheyMostlyComeOutAtNightMostly Mon 18-Nov-19 07:32:11

Menzies (45) doesn’t look much too old for Philip (45 at the date of episode 1 and heavily balding by the time of Aberfan). He does have a more lined face but that’s a) not such a problem as we’re not so intimately familiar with Philip’s face at all ages b) less fixable with makeup - given that HMQ and Margaret would have been wearing makeup at all times then you’ve got more room for manoeuvre.

I agree the issue is marginal with OC, and only there for a couple of episodes. It’s arguably an artistic choice to elide details of HMQ’s age as a reflection of changing attitudes to women’s ages to make it more relatable to a modern audience: almost nobody would think of a 38 year old as an old bat nowadays but in the cultural background of sixties she may well have felt over the hill.

For HBC I think it is more of a problem at this point in the show because the dynamics of Margaret’s marital crisis depend on her age precisely due to those social attachments of value to a woman according to her youth and fertility.

Answerthequestion Mon 18-Nov-19 07:38:30

Not an OC fan at all, and was really concerned about her as Queen but I think she’s fabulous. HBC not so much

RuffleCrow Mon 18-Nov-19 07:49:35

I think that's the thing about the public/private persona @Doubleraspberry. Those who have met the queen in an informal setting tens to report someone much warmer and wittier than those who meet her on a formal engagement or see her on tv. But as members of the the general public we only ever see her in the last context.

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