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BitOfFun Wed 15-May-19 21:20:43

My heart is breaking already sad

I think this is going to be brilliant- I love Stephen Graham.

GrimSisters Wed 15-May-19 21:23:07

Yep, me too. Already in floods of tears. blush

colouringinpro Wed 15-May-19 21:34:27

Amazing acting already.

colouringinpro Wed 15-May-19 21:39:24

OMG that's convincing!

Cocolapew Wed 15-May-19 21:42:08

I'm hating it so far and I love Stephen Graham usually.

BitOfFun Wed 15-May-19 21:44:37

What are you not liking, Coco?

gubbsywubbsy Wed 15-May-19 21:45:11

I'm watching it but it doesn't seem very good at all.. what am I missing ?🤔

hotcrossbun4321 Wed 15-May-19 21:46:07

Finding it gripping, but not sure I'm going to be able to cope with it sad

BitOfFun Wed 15-May-19 21:47:22


buggerthebotox Wed 15-May-19 21:48:12


Cocolapew Wed 15-May-19 21:49:03

It's slooooow.

AnyFucker Wed 15-May-19 21:50:38

This is not going to be uplifting viewing wink

Superb acting though.

BitOfFun Wed 15-May-19 21:51:27

You'd better get yourself a luxury cabin at half ten then, Coco. You can sleep through it then grin

Ineedamanipedi Wed 15-May-19 21:53:04

I can’t be bothered watching it it looks too depressing. The ads for it are literally every 5 mins. Was he kidnapped or something?

Cocolapew Wed 15-May-19 21:56:02

I'm a little bit drunk. The realistic boke was a tad of putting 🤢.

BitOfFun Wed 15-May-19 21:57:12

No- he's falling apart because his ex is emigrating with their son. He's drowned his sorrows, and is going back to where he grew up in Irish care homes, presumably to confront his demons.

AnyFucker Wed 15-May-19 21:57:43

That cabin doesn't look very luxurious

BitOfFun Wed 15-May-19 21:59:52

I'm going to watch Mum now to decompress!

BitOfFun Wed 15-May-19 22:00:33

PJ Harvey has done the score- another good reason to watch.

AnyFucker Wed 15-May-19 22:01:29

I might watch Schindler's List to cheer myself up

moveoverhogger Wed 15-May-19 22:02:53

I found it gripping, yes it was a bit slow but that is Shane Meadows style. Stephens acting as always exceptional.

DragonMamma Wed 15-May-19 22:03:41

I’m concerned Sinbad ripped him off with that deluxe cabin.

Still, I love Stephen Graham and it was pretty good. Not going to be an uplifting one though, is it?

That vomit too 🤮

RedRiverShore Wed 15-May-19 22:08:30

It was good in a slow depressing sort of way, I will definitely watch next week though

BitOfFun Wed 15-May-19 22:10:02

Anyfucker grin

EmmaC78 Wed 15-May-19 22:10:30

Was looking forward to it but was disappointed. Will give it another go next week.

dalmatianmad Wed 15-May-19 22:30:11

Mixed feelings, all that money he pissed up the wall.
He's such a good actor though. Will deffo watch next week...

Nat6999 Wed 15-May-19 22:40:06

I love anything that Shane Meadows does, particularly as he does so much in Sheffield where I live. This is England the TV programmes were all filmed around the estate where I lived when i first got divorced. It's great being able to pick out places you know.

augustusglupe Wed 15-May-19 22:41:52

Loved it, the hour went so fast. But then I love Shane Meadows whole style of writing and delivery. And could watch Steven Graham in anything.

AnyFucker Wed 15-May-19 22:44:36

The dialogue, settings and characterisation are very realistic

As I watched this, I could have seen similar scenes playing out in the town centre pubs and kebab shops of my town

woodcutbirds Wed 15-May-19 22:56:07

I thought the actor playing his son was brilliant. Hard to believe he was acting when he suddenly welled up and hugged his dad. And Stephen Graham is wonderful.

I really liked how slow it was. Makes a change to watch something with a bit of breathing space. I watched the new Russell t Davies thing just before it and the pace was so manic, the set up so complex that it was a relief to watch a scene where the writer gets that watching an alcoholic drink the first pint of a very long night is interesting enough.

TeachesOfPeaches Thu 16-May-19 20:05:12

He could take the mum to court to stop her emigrating with his son. Would love to know the backstory as the son's mother seems quite posh and Stephen Graham looks like he doesn't have a pot to piss in. Wonder if he used to live in that house or maybe they had a brief relationship conceiving the son?

TheRollingCrone Thu 16-May-19 20:14:12

No - one does shattered to pieces like Stephen Graham. Felt almost intrusive watching it. Superb.

buggerthebotox Thu 16-May-19 20:32:50

Is it improvised?

Reminds me a lot of This is England.

Stephen Graham is compelling but..I dunno...seems to overdo it a bit.

ooooohbetty Thu 16-May-19 20:39:43

Stephen Graham was excellent, he's so believable. I'm not a fan of anything by Shane Meadows though, find them all quite samey and contrived (I know this is an unpopular opinion!)

Rarfy Thu 16-May-19 22:24:42

I love Shane Meadows studf it all just seem so real. The cafe, the bank scene even in the pub down to the furniture. I love it. Stephen Graham is always a great watch too. I haven't quite fathomed out what it's about yet though.

ILoveMaxiBondi Thu 16-May-19 22:29:56

I watched it tonight. So far loving it.

Shane meadows has this incredible talent for observation. He observes human behaviour in minute detail and collates everything he sees and has experienced (because there is definitely real life experience in what he does) into these spot on portrayals of every day people. I think he must spend hours upon hours just sitting people watching. It’s amazing the detail he manages to put in to his work.

I also loved the slow pace. It allows you to properly take in all of what’s going on rather than having to move on to concentrate on the next scene or dialogue. It’s quite uncomfortable at times because it feels like youre just standing watching a man having a cry in his own home. You feel like you shouldn’t be there. That’s good tv, that is!

Stephen Graham is fantastic but I think he’s fantastic in whatever he does.

Will definitely watch next week.

Rollergirl11 Thu 16-May-19 23:05:56

DH and I were laughing at Skype Lord.

Did anyone see the episode of The Street that Stephen Graham also did where he plays an alcoholic that meets his Down syndrome son for the time and something devastating happens? Is very very similar to this!

buggerthebotox Fri 17-May-19 07:22:57

Agree with the detailed observational content.

Shane Meadows' work is rarely an easy watch.

This is very dark, though, with no light relief (apart from the Sinbad scene, perhaps).

Reminds me a bit of Boys from the Blackstuff.

FamilyOfAliens Fri 17-May-19 08:25:58

I could barely watch the pub scene where he’s spending all that money to make himself feel better and feel part of something. Shattering but compelling watch.

SparkleGem Fri 17-May-19 08:28:11

Can't wait to watch this.. keeping it for the weekend. So I'm hopping off this post in case I see any spoilers wink

ILoveMaxiBondi Fri 17-May-19 10:06:59

Agree family. It was so sad and you knew exactly how it would play out before it did

SavageBeauty73 Fri 17-May-19 14:29:35

I'm at the pub scene. I can barely watch. Hard viewing.

ASauvignonADay Fri 17-May-19 20:03:17

Difficult viewing but brilliant.

CSIblonde Fri 17-May-19 20:46:15

I actually felt so sad for him in the pub scene, it made me well up. He's such a good actor and in interviews always very funny & charming too.

purpleme12 Fri 17-May-19 23:08:27

I agree he's brilliant. I've only really seen him in This is England (one of my favourites) and this.
It feels like the same kind of feeling as This is England almost?
But of course it's both Stephen Graham and Shane Meadows

purpleme12 Fri 17-May-19 23:10:19

I just couldn't believe she was taking his son away from him sad

ILoveMaxiBondi Fri 17-May-19 23:20:17

I couldn’t work out if she was taking the son to Australia because of something he had done. She said something like “you know this is for the best” and there were a couple of other comments that made me think that but I can’t remember them now. Or are they just going as a family because they wanted to try a new lifestyle?

purpleme12 Fri 17-May-19 23:40:30

I think they were just going cos they wanted to

DarkDarkNight Sat 18-May-19 00:02:15

Purpleme12 me neither sad I’m single and can’t imagine taking my Son away like that. It would be devastating for both of them.

I found it so hard to watch the scene in the bedroom because he was trying so hard to make it ok for his Son. He didn’t put a foot wrong. Whatever had happened in the past, they could obviously get on enough now to sit round a table together.

The whole of the section in the Pub had me sick with nerves: that constant feeling something was going to kick off, an undercurrent of violence.

ACPC Sat 18-May-19 00:19:48

Ah Shane Meadows is just spot on in his observations. I think this is looking promising. He'll have much more scope to develop characters in a tv series than a 90 min film.

bakedbeanzontoast Sat 18-May-19 00:57:43

I've met him. He's lovely. I also find him quite sexy personally 😊.

Have a feeling it's going to go down a road to do with sexual abuse though which will be unpleasant to watch.

Goonergirl14 Sat 18-May-19 06:46:35

Agree bakedbeanz there is definitely something about him! He is just so compelling to watch, the scene in the pub was so realistic.

ILoveMaxiBondi Sat 18-May-19 10:07:19

I also find him quite sexy personally 😊

Me too! It’s all that talent. Very sexy.

mizu Sat 18-May-19 10:17:07

Watched last night. Phew, that pub scene shock I could barely watch it. I will definitely continue watching as really great acting. He is SO watchable. Did like the scene with Sinbad.

bakedbeanzontoast Sat 18-May-19 17:52:53

Glad it's not just me 😏

nowifi Sat 18-May-19 22:01:09

I watched too, thought it was quietly gripping and realistic too. Even the scene where he wakes up with sick all over him felt real!

groundcontroltomontydon Sat 18-May-19 22:45:11

Definitely not easy viewing - I did more ugly crying than Stephen Graham.
But he should have railed and sailed.

AuntMarch Sun 19-May-19 21:02:26

The camera work for the rest of his night after leaving the pub made me feel sick and disoriented- but I don't think that's coincidence, great directing, we weren't meant to be comfortable.

Did a little cheer when the cider went in the bin.

WhatTimeIsItCuckoo Mon 20-May-19 15:22:57

I've just watched it now, couldn't wait as our TV was on the blink last week! Loved it but very tough to watch, had to keep pausing it for a little break 😬 Love SG and can totally see the sexy thing too. Now have to go off to school after sitting here weeping - not good. Re Shane Meadows, I'm certain I read that this story is semi-autobiographical, it's going to be heartbreaking, that for sure 😔

AlessandroVasectomi Tue 21-May-19 14:33:51

I know nothing about Shane Meadows, so it was just a straight watch for me and I enjoyed it. I like dramas that make me sad and this one makes me so glad that my parents made sure I followed the straight and narrow.

The bit that made me well up was when the Stephen Graham character was cuddling his son. My Dad was a big strong man and cuddling him like that when I was little made me feel so safe and secure. That was a long time ago - I’m 68 now.

Weegobshite Tue 21-May-19 14:52:59

@Nat6999 you used to live where I live now (unless you meant Park Hill/Hyde Park?). Few bits filmed on our path - cos we aren't well off enough to have our front/only door on a real road. I was at a graduation ceremony a few years ago when Shane Meadows was awarded Honaray Degree of Doctor of Arts; very humble.

Nat6999 Tue 21-May-19 16:56:35

Weegobshite I lived on Low Edges estate, was weird watching something & seeing the estate we used to live on.

Weegobshite Tue 21-May-19 22:49:16

Nat6999 it's odd seeing your own house on TV isn't it! I'm the other side of Leighton. Not far from the pigeon-hut houses used; think it was milky's mother's!

AuntieMarys Wed 22-May-19 04:25:54

It was magnificent. I think he is so talented. And he liked my tweet smile
He was great in Boardwalk Empire as Al Capone

colouringinpro Wed 22-May-19 20:16:42

Anyone watching tonight? Trying to psych myself up for excellent but seriously bleak TV...

ILoveMaxiBondi Wed 22-May-19 20:28:18

Me too colouring. I’m not feeling too well this evening and am wondering if I can cope with the mental energy it will take to watch tonight! grin

colouringinpro Wed 22-May-19 20:54:06

Yes, mental energy is right! But I think if i don't, I never will...

ILoveMaxiBondi Wed 22-May-19 21:10:55

Jesus, I’m in tears already. sad

ASauvignonADay Wed 22-May-19 21:15:08

Omg, me too 😭

zenasfuck Wed 22-May-19 21:30:10

This is so hard to watch. SG is phenomenal

colouringinpro Wed 22-May-19 21:43:31

Totally convincing sad

ILoveMaxiBondi Wed 22-May-19 21:44:56

Oh that was a funny scene with Dinah and Anna grin poor Dinah!

Was a bit weird the way they sent their kids down to cheer on the boxing match on their drive!

Dulra Wed 22-May-19 22:04:11

Brilliant! Grim gripping edgy close to tears one minute and squirming the next. Stephen graham is fantastic

CallyMollyMindy Wed 22-May-19 22:05:09

What's the story with Joe and the building site guy who recognised him?

UCOinanOCG Wed 22-May-19 22:06:25

I am loving this. There is nothing easy about it though.

Dulra Wed 22-May-19 22:10:27

CallyMollyMindy assume he was a boy in the children's home and remembers joe. He said he remembers him there one minute and gone the next. He's broken too no doubt more about what happened them at the homr will start to come out sad

ILoveMaxiBondi Wed 22-May-19 22:17:13

its a really hard watch.

SavageBeauty73 Wed 22-May-19 22:35:03

I didn't feel strong enough to watch tonight!

AnyFucker Wed 22-May-19 22:45:12


ASauvignonADay Wed 22-May-19 22:52:04

I want to give Stephen graham a big hug. He is fucking brilliant.

BitOfFun Wed 22-May-19 23:23:44

Another tough but brilliantly acted episode.

augustusglupe Wed 22-May-19 23:52:47

BRILLIANT!!!! Best drama in ages!

TeachesOfPeaches Thu 23-May-19 13:12:28

I read in the newspaper that Shane Meadows based this tv show on his own experience of child abuse sad

Incredible viewing.

ILoveMaxiBondi Thu 23-May-19 13:44:42

I think this is England was also based on his own childhood too. Or some of it was.

TeachesOfPeaches Thu 23-May-19 14:05:02

It's so sad, I've been crying lots!

Rollergirl11 Thu 23-May-19 21:50:35

The building site guy said something like “I won’t tell anyone don’t worry” to Joe. I think this has a real vibe of Dead Mans Shoes about it (the film Shane Meadows directed with Paddy Considine and Toby Kibble). I wonder if Joe did something bad (along with others) in the boys home and that’s why he took off.

purpleme12 Thu 23-May-19 21:58:02

I can't quite work out what's gone in the past yet to be honest

ILoveMaxiBondi Thu 23-May-19 22:04:32

Rollergirl I think you’re right. In last nights episode when the flashback was showing Anna as a child about to get into the car to leave joe the man talking to her was saying something like “you know what your brother is like”. It sounded like they were justifying not taking him too because of whatever his behaviour was.

It was horrifying hearing that he was 9 when he ran away from the boys home and went to Liverpool! 9!! I have a 9yo. The thought of him being out there alone and making that trip! shock

SapatSea Fri 24-May-19 11:46:01

Utterly heartbreaking.

SapatSea Fri 24-May-19 18:22:36

I think the building site guy seemed relieved that Joe was alive, like it had haunted him that whatever had happened to Joe had lead to his death.

SavageBeauty73 Fri 24-May-19 20:52:05

A friend of mine is playing Joe's brother in law!

PineapplePatty Fri 24-May-19 23:56:59

I'm really disappointed. We love him usually but gave up after half an hour of the second episode.

It's just way too slooooooow.

StayAChild Sun 26-May-19 08:25:21

Started watching first episode last night. We gave up when he woke up on the floor covered in sick because it was obvious that was going to go on for a long time.

Each scene lasted far, far too long, especially the leaving the pub scene. I'm sure that is the desired effect, but we couldn't stomach how slow it was. Shame, because it looks like a good story and his acting is brilliant, particularly the scene in his son's bedroom; so good in fact that it's more like a real time documentary.

PollyShelby Sun 26-May-19 10:41:05

@StayAChild I agree with you, the slowness is typical of Shane Meadows but the balance is wrong - made it too tedious and boring to continue. The second one was worse.

WeWantSweet Sun 26-May-19 19:34:28

Agree with the unnecessary slowness comments, but it still delivers an emotional punch in the guts. That scene where his sister slowly realised who he was had me tearing up.

colouringinpro Wed 29-May-19 21:04:42

Awfully sad already.

EmmaC78 Wed 29-May-19 21:32:36

I am still finding it incredibly slow. I am not sure I can watch another episode.

GraceMarks Wed 29-May-19 21:44:18

Tonight is another tough watch. I keep laughing and then feeling guilty, because it's not funny really but it's just the way they say things. Youth-club-quality tits is my new favourite phrase!

I think what Shane Meadows does so well is the creeping feeling that something really bad is about to happen any minute. With Joe, there is obviously going to be something to do with abuse, but I'm worried it's going to turn out that he was a perpetrator. It would be so devastating to find that out after we've got invested in him and his story.

Dulra Wed 29-May-19 22:10:28

Oh GraceMarks I hope you're wrong that would be difficult to come to terms with after feeling devastated for him for so long.

I agree it is slow but life generally is, things don't move at a fast pace. The acting is superb and you feel everything with them...anger shame embarrassment sorrow. Don't know where it is going to go but I am interested to know so will stick with it even though it can be uncomfortable viewing at times

BitOfFun Wed 29-May-19 22:20:17

There's only one more after tonight's.

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