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Farewell Broadchurch 3. No more Millaaagh & Hardy. It's criminal.

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ThaliaLuxurySpa Tue 18-Apr-17 13:35:42

But we're not abandoning you yet.

Continuing where we left off, everyone...

MrsPacMan Tue 18-Apr-17 13:44:36

I've developed a bit of a crush on Hardy 😕

Clawdy Tue 18-Apr-17 14:09:36

We will miss them. Actually I felt sorry for Mark. He desperately wanted to try and get their marriage together, but Beth was adamant. I don't think he was clearing off to find himself at all, and there is no way he would ditch his children.

hollyisalovelyname Tue 18-Apr-17 16:58:26

Clawdy Please see my last post on the last thread re Mark.

TizzyDongue Tue 18-Apr-17 17:16:19

He was Clawdy.

Oh I can't cope, poor me!! Beth you deal with the same grief as me but you have to cope and I'll feck off without any responsibilities

iklboo Tue 18-Apr-17 17:18:55

Mark was all a bit 'my grief trumps your grief. I lost the chance to play FIFA on Xbox with my son' (fantasy / dream sequence bit). Like Beth didn't get how he felt.

ScrambledSmegs Tue 18-Apr-17 17:48:09

I've caught up. That bit where Michael confesses was brutal. In a way I'm glad it was Leo - he was repulsive from the start and it was cathartic to have someone so easy to loathe as the culprit.

However, it was all a bit too quick and brush-under-the-carpet with regards to the other stuff. So it's a-ok that Ed is a creepy stalker? That Ian's been spying on his ex-wife but all is forgiven with a takeaway?

OK they were trying to throw people off the scent with all the segues but at least try to resolve it instead of the cheesy church scene at the end.

Cagliostro Tue 18-Apr-17 17:59:51

Thanks for the new thread. I will miss Millaaaargh especially. I have adored OC since I started watching Green Wing!

APlaceOnTheCouch Tue 18-Apr-17 18:08:36

Mark was a selfish git. He was yet another man projecting his life on to a woman except instead of a sexual fantasy (porn) he was projecting the life where he is the main griever but also gets to walk away. It's only men who have the option of 'not coping' and leaving town. Imagine if he thought he owed his living children as much as his dead son? He wouldn't be able to drive off into the sunset. He'd have to think about schools, about supporting his DCs. Instead, he just assumes Beth will pick that up, will reassure them that he loves them, will help them cope with the upset that he tried to kill himself, as well as the grief over their brother, as well as working and making dinner and running the house, etc, etc.
None of the men came out of this series positively except possibly Hardy but partly that was because he listened to Miller about parenting, and when life and parenting got hard, he eventually stepped up rather than running away.

I would have liked to see more of Leo's girlfriend but not, as a PP suggested, visibly downtrodden. We already saw that with Clive/Lucas's wife. What might have been more powerful was to see her cheerfully explaining away her whole dynamic, not realising that she's trotting out more abuse/coercion truisms with every sentence. A bit like how Harford was there to spout rape myths and get shouted down every tume, except (since I envisage this being during questioning) we don't get shouting, but Millaarrrgh's patented eyerolls.

LadyMaryofDownt0n Tue 18-Apr-17 18:10:05

One of the best TC shows ever & there isn't going to be anymore of it... it's bloody criminal! Surely the writers will have a rethink.

LilaoftheGreenwood Tue 18-Apr-17 18:15:31

Basically I think we were all on the right lines, it was a casual misogyny culture thing, which all the "normal" men are part of and which enables the odd real psycho hiding in the middle of them.

I was a bit hmm at Trish's creepy spyware ex coming round with a Chinese later. So what he did is ok now is it!? Just "because he missed her". Painting him in a good light in that final scene seems to undermine the point the series was making.

APlaceOnTheCouch Tue 18-Apr-17 18:22:53

I didn't think the programme was forgiving Ian. I thought it was trying to make the point that excusing all of those 'minor' indiscretions is what finally gets you to a place where men rape and watch porn, etc. So Trish feeling pressured to assuage Ian's loneliness or accept it as an excuse for him installing spyware was just another way that women carry the burden for men. I thought their DD was going to say 'no' to Ian and that fit with the fact she had been stronger, braver and more grown up than her parents throughout.

LilaoftheGreenwood Tue 18-Apr-17 18:55:41

Maybe - hope so!

It was ok as an ending. Believable in the light of what had gone before with an extra twist. But honestly anyone who has forgotten how good S1 was - rewatch it, it is head and shoulders above what this has been. I wish tv people didn't feel they have to immediately commission more of something so perfect and beautifully formed.

Flightywoman Tue 18-Apr-17 19:21:56

I agree Lila. There was a fab vampire series in the 90s called Ultraviolet - Jack Davenport was in it. It was one perfect series, only ever conceived as one. I was DESPERATE for there to be more when it finished, but having seen the ridiculousness of what happened to Lost, or the second series of Heroes, for example, I'm now glad they didn't cave to pressure and do more.

Same with Flash Forward - that was SO good, and then was cancelled so never went bad.

I have enjoyed (that seems an odd choice of word for the subject matter) this series, though there were so many loose ends left to hang. And I don't think Trish was particularly happy about her ex coming round - maybe she was just tired and fed up, maybe a night off cooking was a welcome prospect. Maybe she still loved him, maybe he's the best of a bad bunch...

IvankaTrudeau Tue 18-Apr-17 19:52:27

I agree it wasn't up to the 1st series, but I think I don't think there's been a mainstream, popular series that has tackled rape and the general perviness/creepiness of men in this way before and done it well. Please tell me if there's other shows that have done this kind of thing before, glad to be corrected. The last series of Shetland had a rape storyline which was done well and they'd consulted rape crisis etc.

Noeuf Tue 18-Apr-17 21:39:35

Omg anyone else think it was a load of twaddle? The rape scene was ridiculous.

iklboo Tue 18-Apr-17 22:21:30

Flighty I bloody LOVED Ultraviolet!

ThaliaLuxurySpa Tue 18-Apr-17 23:31:06

Quick, non-crime pondering:
admittedly, after too much wine
Was there possibly deeper significance in RevPaul's pulpit and altar rainbow hangings?

The God-Noah covenant symbol, yes, but maybe also a (MaggieExEditor-influenced?) nod to LGBT colours/ inclusiveness/ tolerance/ solidarity...a "broad church".
Pretty radical thinking for some of the locals.

His parting-shot obviously that Broadchurch deserved far more than its notoriety as a sleepy, seaside town where terrible darkness had struck: that it has potential to renew and embrace a hopeful future, but only if every individual within the community plays their part once he's gone.

BTW, a Vlogging (^really?^) Maggie grin
Zoella, watch your back...

I'd thought, from the first episode and that horrendous meeting with the fucking corporate teenager, that Maggie should have just bought out the newspaper title and run it as an online presence, maybe with a few token copies home-produced for the very luddite among her community.

TizzyDongue Wed 19-Apr-17 07:39:20

Omg anyone else think it was a load of twaddle? The rape scene was ridiculous.

No i didn't Noeuf.

Why do you think it was twaddle and ridiculous?

Cagliostro Wed 19-Apr-17 07:58:25

Oooh Flash Forward! I must watch that, I fell off the series when it was first out but I had enjoyed the episodes I saw.

Noeuf Wed 19-Apr-17 08:00:05

Because it wasn't believable at all, the whole scenario just didn't work.

APlaceOnTheCouch Wed 19-Apr-17 08:14:06

Thalia I think it was called Broadchurch originally because of references to Thomas Hardy and a 'broad church' being inclusive and modernising. Plus Hardy's themes usually focused on communities moving forward through times of trauma.

An opportunistic, violent stranger rape is fairly common (not ridiculous). Although I disliked the grooming angle, I think it was to show how society creates attitudes that lead to rape. Leo was simply fast-tracking all the influences that teenage boys are subjected to.

Noeuf Wed 19-Apr-17 08:36:34

I think yes the possibility of it happening in real life is there im it disputing that, I thought the portrayal of it plus the other characters were ridiculous. All the sandwiching in of the angst caused to DT and Miller by the actions of men etc. After such a good S1 it was just disappointing

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