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Lucydogz Mon 12-Dec-16 22:04:00

I really thought they'd be a thread on this! Here goes- I thought it was good, and am sorry that they're only one more. SO many interesting issues.

GardenGeek Mon 12-Dec-16 22:04:41

I agree, really interesting.

MinesAGin Mon 12-Dec-16 22:05:04

I enjoyed it, too. Lots of interesting issues, as you say. I thought one guy was too dominant, though.

woodhill Mon 12-Dec-16 22:05:36

I thought it was well done.

Blossomdeary Mon 12-Dec-16 22:06:45

Interesting indeed. But hard for it to be in any way representative, as clearly the women whose menfolk would have prohibited them from taking part were not there.

MinesAGin Mon 12-Dec-16 22:08:20

Yes, I was thinking that. I would like to have heard from women who're not allowed to show their faces in public.

Icloud154 Mon 12-Dec-16 22:27:48

Why would they be 'not allowed' to show there face? It's there own choice what where etc not a case of 'not allowed'

Icloud154 Mon 12-Dec-16 22:28:28

What they wear*

BonnieF Mon 12-Dec-16 22:31:12

There are a couple of relatively conservative Muslim women in the group, wearing headscarves rather than high heels and wonder bras, but they didn't get much screen time.

MinesAGin Mon 12-Dec-16 22:33:57

In a way, Icloud. I'm not convinced there's a lot of choice involved if the alternative means losing your family.

derxa Mon 12-Dec-16 22:36:29

Yes it was interesting. Agree with Blossom

Icloud154 Mon 12-Dec-16 22:39:42

Unfortunately if you have no experience in the matter, then jumping to conclusions such as losing family members is bizarre

MinesAGin Mon 12-Dec-16 22:43:25

How would you know what experience I have, though?

Icloud154 Mon 12-Dec-16 22:45:40

From the points you have raised, show you mustn't be that experienced.
1- Not allowed to show there faces
2- losing family members by not complying.

GardenGeek Mon 12-Dec-16 23:00:04

I couldn't believe that man was handing out 'what is Islamic state' flyers days after the Nice attack. And how he said he only cared for the muslims dead. Glad everyone put him straight but I think sadly that mans face is going to be on our front pages in the next decade.

Lovelybangers Mon 12-Dec-16 23:04:06

I watched this programme.

It was quite an eye opener to see the differences in degrees of beliefs/rules of Islam.

I've set tomorrow's episode to record.

Lucydogz Mon 12-Dec-16 23:05:25

But what was good for me was that he was shown as not just a fanatic (which a poorer programme would have done) but with more nuance

GardenGeek Tue 13-Dec-16 00:01:27

Do you mean as in his interpretation was subtilely different? (Haha never realised how hard that is to spell blush)

Because I thought it was like chalk and cheese.

Everyone talking about being kind, smiling, having humility, acceptance, doing things for others etc.

He was talking about martydom, joining IS in syria, not accepting anyone else views, Sharia law, removing human rights, not interacting with 50% of the human race, suggesting women where burka-type clothes, muslim lives meaning more than non-muslims etc.

I think it was downplayed how shocking his views actually were.

iremembericod Tue 13-Dec-16 00:05:59

That one guy was horrific - really shocking.

Sexist, homophobic, 'fine' with violence....he actually appeared quite deluded and disturbed.

IndianaJone Tue 13-Dec-16 00:22:48

The majority of women in the UK who cover their faces do so through their own choice. I know a lady who started wearing a niqab in secret as she was worried what her husband would say. One day he spotted her in the car with it and the conversation ended with him stating that she wasn't to come to him for help when the racist abuse started. I bet when they walk down the road ppl assume he requested her to wear when in reality she wears it in despite him!

Offyougo Tue 13-Dec-16 08:44:51

Fairly conservative women? Where in the program? Didn't see anyone wearing that long gown for example. Even the headscarves where in different styles that I wouldn't call conservative. The guy talking about going to Syria etc... well at best is missing people skills . I think those kind of programs(as the benefit ones) are edited to cast a bad light on certain groups of people.

woodhill Tue 13-Dec-16 10:25:25

I was pleased how the older woman challenged the radical and suggested he helped with the clearing up rather than continuing to talk at the others constantly.

HalfShellHero Tue 13-Dec-16 11:09:54

Watching it now the dominant guy is a convert isnt he? Not unusual, my DF is a actually a convert and i suffered many lectures, converts ino do far more harm than born and breds. i agree regarding more traditional women on there.

Wildwillow Tue 13-Dec-16 11:50:02

I watched this programme with interest with my older teenage kids. We have lived and worked in the London area most of our lives and have always been part of a widely cosmopolitan society through work school and social lives. I think the thing that struck me most about this show was that it was trying to show so much in such a small space of time. The range of diversity encompassed by British Muslims is vast - maybe this show did manage to portray this through the variety of participants. If anything I hope that if any real message is gained from this show it is that tolerance and acceptance, compassion and kindness are the universal human qualities that can be shared by people of any faith or none. I dont know his name but can only feel humbled by the attempt of one chap to communicate positively with a member of the EDL ... only to get kicked back by a couple of the other male members of the group. More talking, more education is the way forward not drawing up battle lines of them and us.

EnthusiasmDisturbed Tue 13-Dec-16 12:20:24

I rather the programme didn't have the extremist guy in it though I think this is something that needs to be explored and understood more but for a different programme

Other views were interesting and though they are joined together by sharing the same religion they all have differently beliefs through cultural differences, their education, they political views and so on

I just felt throwing the extreme guy in the mix was totally unnecessary and done to create controversy

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