Oh God, yes, the envy was palpable.The dour one in the coat and the one that vaguely looked like Vanessa Williams in the red jumper seemed to me like envy, she naturally attracted men and was enjoying being young, did she steal others' boyfriends? If she did nobody said that, her only crime seemed to be being very attractive. Other women can say such cruel things and that can make someone very sensitive dwell to the point of obsession on what has been said. Did their envy of her ease in attracting men encourage awful comments that pushed her further into depression?
Was the woman in the red jumper supposed to have been a friend? She didn't seem to speak of her fondly, she was rolling her eyes about something (will have to go back and see what it was). If Joyce had been a difficult character, it would have been an idea to have given an example of why she was hard work.
My friend said that the dour woman in the coat looked as though she could barely disguise her surprised glee at her lack of qualifications (I found the reading out of each low grade qualification both disrespectful and unnecessary). Joyce would have hated that.
nightingale yes i agree with your first paragraph. looks fade and novelty wears off, you can move on to new audiences but the looks still go and soon you aren't a pretty, young free and single thing, you're a middle aged woman with crows feet and no support network of friends who are in the same boat as you have continuously moved on from them. no-one to open a bottle with and laugh about the times you used to have together.
nightingale is this the woman that was with the man who knew joyce aswell? i really didn't like the part when they heard she had been cleaning as opposed to a job in the city. they were laughing at the idea of her cleaning and mocking her, saying about her doing it all glammed up and in her dresses. i didn't find that funny at all. i actually didn't really understand why they were in the film. they didn't seem to know her that well. it was almost as if they took part out of nosiness.
Booyhoo, that is it exactly, who were they to her? They could have just been market stall holders that she bought her oranges from for all anybody knew. Had she blanked him? Better that she had the self respect and courage to get herself out and work, it must have been very difficult for her.
Who was the bald headed guy with the radio presenter voice? Was he a DJ? I must have missed the very beginning where it was said.
It really was. Everyone seemed to assume that someone else was looking out for her and perhaps she gave the impression that she had a busy social life. I just don't understand how the tv was still on? The electricity company would have turned off her supply, wouldn't they?
yes i felt the same. i actually thought they must have been school friends at first because they didn't seem 'attatched' to her emotionally. almost like they had come to a school reunion to find out how people had turned out. there didn't seem to be any upset to them by any of the revelations the researcher/interviewer told them. apart from them and the woman in the red jumper, everyone else seemed to talk fondly of her.
Do you think she wanted help though? I got the feeling she had re invented herself and her background education etc and she just wanted to keep moving on and not commit to a lifestyle. I thought all the friends seemed strange including the ex boyfriend I don't think anyone really 'knew' her at all.
she had to eat, i'm guessing she shopped near to where she lived. did none of the shop staff recognise her when the news came out about her body being found? even if she didn't buy newspapers or clothes or get her hair done, she had to eat. she was in a council house and not working when she died (i assume as no-one reported her missing from work) so i doubt she was having takeaway delivered everyday. i know she lived in a busy shopping area but surely staff would have begun to recognise a face coming in every week, even if she didn't chat (which would surprise me as she seemed very chatty)
The woman in red was no friend. The way she spoke about Martin was disgusting. (I'm paraphrasing here but the gist is obvious) "We thought she'd get with someone gorgeous, hunky, successful, black etc etc but looks weren't important to Joyce. We were shocked to meet Martin..." She must have known he'd watch it too?
I was saddened when the party thrown for her 21st consisted of Martin's friends. People she didn't really know.
I know the girl who played Joyce. She was my sister's housemate at uni in Manchester. Stunning girl.
i was also wondering if she may have 'manufactured' some of the awkwardness in order to create space for herself. i say this becasue i know that at times when i have been very low and my home has been really bad i have intentionally been closed off from friends so as to avoid having to turn them away at the door. that sounds awful and i know i was a bad friend but at those times i really couldn't cope with them seeing how bad i had let things get. still no-one knows how bad i was and that is because i purposelly withdrew contact, avoided answering the phone, made up excuses not to meet up etc. i know one friend was really hurt by this and confused becasue as far as she knew everything was the same as it always had been and she took it personally (as anybody would) that i didn't want her around for a while.