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Dss and ds Constant fighting and Bickering

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DadKeepsCalm1 Fri 15-Jan-16 16:28:54

I have posted a before about this but this week it has got to an all time low between them.

I have been with my partner for about 3 years now and this has been a problem for about a year now. Me and my wife are really

DadKeepsCalm1 Fri 15-Jan-16 16:53:38

are at at a loss as to what to do. We have tried discipline and talking to them both but they just rage at each other over stupid things.

Sometimes they have physical fights with each other. Yesterday ds and dss had a fight that left ds with a nasty bruise on his abdomen.

Things started last spring when dss uploaded a unflattering picture of ds against his will on Instagram after an argument.

In October ds had a party round here while me and my wife went out for the evening. Ds and friends ganged up on dss and made him make them drinks and food and excluded him from the party. Which led to a backlash the next day from dss.

What doesn't not help is that one of dss friends has caused a lot of trouble for ds at school (bullying). Dss came home tonight with the bully friend as they plan to go to the gym together.

This is really unacceptable imo and ds felt extremely uncomfortable in his own home. This has made me lose a lot of respect for dss as he acted so grown up about the issue on the last thread.

We also had issues over Xmas and holiday last year.

What should I do, punishment doesn't not really work, it seems a never ending cycle of arguing. We had a great last weekend but it only lasted for about two days and it's back to normal.

What should I do in regards to bully friend. Dss knows all what this friend has done but has not at all thought about ds in bringing friend over. Part of me feels that it was even deliberate as they go to different schools.

DadKeepsCalm1 Fri 15-Jan-16 16:54:39

Dss is 16 and ds is 17, I also have a dd aged 15.

DadKeepsCalm1 Fri 15-Jan-16 17:31:49


ImperialBlether Fri 15-Jan-16 17:34:36

I just can't imagine liking a partner that much that I would let my children stay in a house where they were unhappy. I would have to move out. I know that's not what you want to hear but it's what I would do. I might keep up the relationship with my partner, but I wouldn't let anyone who hurt or bully my child into the house.

ImperialBlether Fri 15-Jan-16 17:35:15

Maybe you could live separately for three or so years and then when the children have all left home live together again?

SirChenjin Fri 15-Jan-16 17:41:28

At the risk of sounding flippant, what you describe sounds very much like horrible, normal (well, within the spectrum of normal) teenage sibling behaviour - they can be absolutely vile to each other at that age. DSis and I loathed the sight of each other at that age and took every opportunity possible to make each others lives hell - we get on fine now smile

Have you thought about family therapy?

DadKeepsCalm1 Fri 15-Jan-16 17:49:23

I never let this person in, dss and friend were in first today and so friend was in before me or my wife were in.

I don't get the sense that any of the children are unhappy (despite arguing). I don't think separating is a good idea because it's not always like this.

My wife is in fact a counsellor and claims the behaviour is about getting one up on each other as both of them hold grudges from previous incidents.

stargirl1701 Fri 15-Jan-16 17:55:42

Is there someone else who could help? I helped my Aunt with my cousin during the teenage years. I am only a few years older than my cousin so I was close to her age yet I was also an independent adult. We talked on the phone, had days out, she stayed over sometimes at mine. She could talk to me and sometimes I would be like 'WTF?! You can't do/say that!' She seemed more willing to listen to me than her mum.

She is a lovely women who is getting married this year.

This too shall pass, OP!

SirChenjin Fri 15-Jan-16 18:14:44

I think if the teens are not unhappy and you don't want to separate then it's a case of riding these horrible years out, sadly grin. Given your wife's professional background, what does she think?

If it's any consolation, DD and DS1 are like this. He's away at university now, so things have calmed down - or so I thought. He came home this week, and over dinner the 2 of them (16 and 18) started fighting over whether android or iphones were better - a real humdinger where they were shouting over the table at each other, and which culminated in him calling her a "bitch" before storming off. It was dealt with, but honestly.

DadKeepsCalm1 Fri 15-Jan-16 18:55:02

Dss has arrived home, I asked him why he let bully friend come round when he knows history of friend and ds. He said that he's my friend and we were oy in for an hour, I said that it's incredibly inconsiderate of ds and he says "I don't care, it's his problem not mine." My wife says that friend is not welcome and dss should apologise, dss refuses.

This friend was racist to ds and has been excluded for things he has said.

My wife says dss is testing me and ds with what he can get away with.

Thunderblunder Fri 15-Jan-16 18:58:32

Is this the same DSS as the one on your other thread who said he felt pushed out from the family?

DadKeepsCalm1 Fri 15-Jan-16 19:05:01

Yes Thunder.

DadKeepsCalm1 Fri 15-Jan-16 19:31:27

I have to admit I'm on ds side tonight. This boy is nasty price of work, I didn't know dss and him were close friends.

DadKeepsCalm1 Fri 15-Jan-16 20:15:26

Dss has refused to come down to dinner tonight as he says I am ganging up on him and being too harsh on him, so he has eaten dinner in his room (his mum brought it up).

SirChenjin Fri 15-Jan-16 21:04:24

What does his mum say about it? How does she want to deal with it? The other boy sounds awful - not someone you'd want in your house at all.

DadKeepsCalm1 Fri 15-Jan-16 21:14:14

Dss mum is very annoyed tonight for him bringing this boy over. She thinks they both need to stop holding grudges and anger from previous events.

DadKeepsCalm1 Sat 16-Jan-16 10:36:23

Dss has apologised to me and ds this morning. He says that it is was not intentional to upset ds, but I don't believe him.

DoreenLethal Sat 16-Jan-16 10:40:11

Have you lot not got any ground rules at all?

DadKeepsCalm1 Sat 16-Jan-16 12:22:52

Me and my wife are very liberal in regards to rules but clearly dss has abused that pro ill and so rules may well be needed.

SirChenjin Sat 16-Jan-16 12:25:53

An apology is a step forward...whether or not you believe him is another matter, but he's offered an apology which is good.

I think rules are definitely needed! What are consequences for stepping out of line at the moment?

IguanaTail Sat 16-Jan-16 12:35:26

Just make a list of 3 things

1 - friend not allowed to come over
2 - if the other person is annoying you, walk off
3 - no swearing or hitting

DadKeepsCalm1 Sat 16-Jan-16 13:37:35

Sounds good Iguana.

DadKeepsCalm1 Sat 16-Jan-16 13:42:03

I definitely think a set of rules are needed. But I strips to what punishments should be.

QuiteLikely5 Sat 16-Jan-16 13:47:26


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Grounding - physical fighting

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