Oh god, prom after parties ,alcohol, um Help!!(42 Posts)
Our local pubs and disco bars sometimes served us at 14 and always did by 15. (They knew our ages we went to school with their DCs)
Personally I think enforcing 18 is incredibly stupid, by our sixthform leaving day we knew how much it took to get us drunk, and just didn't (HT had explained that vanishing to the pub was fine, getting on our school buses rolling drunk was not fine).
Learning to drink at parties rather than with pub measures when we couldn't afford to get drunk is not ideal, but it's what the twat faced nanny state has left our Dcs with. All we can do is educate them, warn our DDs that alcohol lowers your inhibitions and warn are DS that they must stay sober enough to treat girls properly. Also, of course it's not bright to get so drunk you can't get home safely.
It was really odd realizing that as a total country bumpkin, I had far more idea who to look after myself at freshers than the Londoners. Having only been able to drink for a few months in very expensive bars they fell upon cheep uni booze and then fell about campus in wrecked heaps.
My 16 yo DS went to an after prom party a week ago and had a great time! He took 2 small bottles of beer, but only drank one cos he didn't like it very much! Only boys were allowed to sleep over, he reckons he had about 1 1/2 hours sleep, so was wrecked tired the next day. I think it really helps if you know your child, and know their friends, and, as someone else has mentioned, they do need to learn how to behave, and what works for them before they go off to uni etc.
My 16 YO has been going to parties with alcohol since about 15. because she knows I am fair she trusts me to tell me where it is, what is really involved etc. So far she has been OK although has drank too much once or twice,, nothing too bad. And I am pretty strict. I just think if you are too strict they rebel and start lying to you.
find out where the party is who is there etc dd1 was 18 at her prom they do them in 6th year up here, so it was never an issue , TBH i wouldnt be happy with the all nighter but I would probably be ok with a 16 yr old going, say she is allowed a few drinks if she has too but I would be umming and ahhing too, I would probably not let her out all night
Who calls their daughter a bitch. That seems a little harsh to me.
My little update if it's OK to gatecrash your party, January . Ds came back from his after party at 3.30am this morning seemingly sober and in one piece. He said it was starting to wind down but was still going when he left. The party was 'good'. Only one person threw up - the party host himself.
Seeing as in 2 years time our pfbs may well be living at uni or elsewhere without us being able to check their alcohol intake, friends' parents and party timings, I think that letting them start to spread their wings now and trial run a bit of responsibility is the only wayt to go.
sorry just realised I am late to this thread, im def not hosting an after prom party after reading that x
my daughter is lobbying for me to have an after prom party here, that's not going to happen, I would let her go if I was you, if you think she is sensible enough , she's 16 prom is a big deal to them all, yes they will drink but im sure she has had a drink, I know my daughter has, can you not compromise and say she can go and you will pick her up at 2.00am ?
When I was 16, my best friend died in my arms of a drug overdose in the car after our after-prom party, as his brother sped towards the local hospital at 2 in the morning. Not only did our parents know where we were and have a phone number, they sent someone old enough to be sensible but not too old to be uncool to pick us up at a late but not too late time.
It made no difference.
There is no way in the world I would be letting her go to a party under the conditions you describe.
Jojo, you said she's your eldest so you're on new territory and it's not surprising you feel out of your depth. But you need to learn to handle situations like this better, or you're going to have a difficult few years.
She's stroppy and moody because this is very important to her, and she's never been in a situation like this before, and she doesn't know how to handle her feelings. Notice that that's pretty much exactly how you feel too, and you reacted in a similar way!
This is your opportunity to help her (and yourself!) learn to handle these difficult situations better. Instead of panicking and getting angry and shouting and refusing to talk to her, you could have said calmly "I don't want to talk to you tonight because I'm tired and annoyed with the way you've been behaving. Let's talk again in the morning. I'll need you to convince me you're thinking seriously about things like your safety and how you're getting home".
That way, you 'model' a calm, grown-up responses so she knows how it's done, and it gives both of you some thinking time, as well as much-needed cooling off time.
It's not too late. You can tell her you've realised you're both on new territory, so neither of you knew what to do, and you didn't handle it well. Then tell her you'd like her to talk to you about safety and some of your other worries...
Be aware that if you refuse point blank to let her go, she may well go anyway... Then she'll be much less safe, because she won't have agreed a plan with you, and she won't stay in touch.
i think tigoldbitties is the most sensible/balanced response yet
Mrsrobertduvall er, perhaps she hasn't mentioned it to you yet?
It might be different round here because the prom is held in the school. The school is in a small market town and the children come from villages for miles around. They all get fancy transport to the prom and they are picked up by parents and taken to the after prom party. Actually there were two parties last year. The one DS went to was in the next village to us and they had marquees and stuff and lots of adults.
I passed some of them walking home bleary eyed next morning on my way to work .
OP, I'm shocked at how you behaved when she tried to speak to you about. Rather like, um, a moody teenager!
I must live in a parallel universe as I have never heard of an after prom party.
We didn't even have a disco at our school!
Dd has her prom this year, and I will be collecting her at 11.30.
Am I the only one on here who thinks this is a bad idea to let her go? Sounds like she is lying to you about where this party is. I remember lying to my parents asking if I could stay over at a friends house after my school leaving do (didn't have prom then) but in fact I was wanting to go hang out with the lads and girls from school at one of the lads houses and stay over there instead. I was intending on drinking alcohol and having sex. I was 15 nearly 16. Anyway my parents were sensible enough to see right through my lies and refused me permission to go. I had to come straight home after wards. Yeah I remember feeling gutted at the time and that I was missing out but I got over it. It wasn't the end of the world. IMO parents allow their children far too much freedom nowadays.
When you were young would you have been allowed to stay at a party until six am at 16? Yeah its a special occasion as its prom. But the prom is the celebration isn't it!? So she wont be missing out on celebrating that.
Oh you have to let her go, seriously most people will be going.
She's 16, this is huge. She'll probably have had a drink before anyway, and having one or two at an after-prom party is no big deal.
I honestly doubt VERY much it will turn into a massive orgy and everyone will be passing out drunk. They'll probably have a couple of beers and a laugh together.
Tell her you trust that she'll be careful, and let her go. Also if her or a friend get into trouble you're prepared to come pick them up. The worst thing you can do is make her need to hide stuff as she thinks you'll be angry.
Agree with thepig
I'm really surprised this has taken you unawares? The after party is part of the prom and usually an all nighter.
At 16 I would also have expected the subject of parties and alcohol to come up before?
This is why I think it's worth talking lots about alcohol and allowing sensible amounts around this age. She has to learn how to deal with social situations where there is peer pressure to drink too much and she can't learn if she is never allowed to go.
The tantrum is a shame but to be fair I expect everyone else will be going.
We live in a rural area and the parent who "hosts" the after prom party is usually fully aware of what they are in for. Last year DS1 went to his in the next village. About 100 teenagers were picked up by parents from the prom and dropped off at the party. They were collected (or walked miles) next morning.
Do people really mollycoddle their kids this much these days?
She's 16 ffs, it's a special party not a weekly occurence.
Honestly if you've brought her up well you'll have nothing to worry about. And you'll probably find she won't even stay til 6...but if she does so what it's a one off.
At least she has asked you and told you where she will be and therefore you know where she will be.
When I was 16 I told my mum I was 'sleeping at Amy's house' , because i wasn't allowed to any parties. Really I was going into town, clubbing and house party's. if you don't let her go she will probs go behind your back and do it any way. It's what most teenagers do, bar a few.
Fair enough the stroppy behaviour isn't acceptable, but she probably feels her whole social life will be ruined by not going.
Let things calm down and do what you feel is best.
I think you're being quite unfair. She's 16, its her prom party, with kids of her age, at no address you know.
The thing with providing the parents details is that she probably doesn't have them and therefore will have to ask the boy which is all very embarrassing at that age plus it will probably lead to her having to explain my mum wants it/mum says no etc which will just become even more humiliating. The idea of doing something that embarrassing at that age is such a big deal.
Are the parents even going to be there? Don't most people go out when their DC have parties?
She's 16, so she's probably had a drink before and can be trusted to drink reasonably responsibly or does she get wrecked? I'd say its fine to drink but you don't want her coming home in a state or there will be x consequence.
Have you arranged contraception with her? What does she normally do in these situations, at 16 you don't generally need the oportunity or excuse of a party to have sex. You just need to reiterate the safe sex and not being coerced chat and I'd probably say that if she feel uncomfortable at any time she can call me and I will come and get her.
The only issue I would have is how would she be getting home at 6:00am, I wouldn't be that into driving out at that time, are they going to stay over and then go home later, what happens if it peters out or they want to leave earlier, say 4:00 when there isnt public transport, there would need to be a plan. Plus if I was feeling a bit stressed I might say she needs to text me at regular intervals.
Work out what is your worst case scenario and think about what specifically could stop it. What is it that you are most worried about?
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