14 year old DD makes everyone miserable(53 Posts)
She is completely intolerant and even just the sound of her younger brothers talking quietly makes her fume, shout at them to 'Fuck Off' and if they don't she gets violent with them.
We've had a little break from her abusive behaviour because we've had family around for Christmas but today she seems to be making up for lost time.
She's been SCREAMING. Telling everyone to Fuck Off. I told her she had to go to her room but she simply didn't. I can't man handle her. I tried over and over again but she refused deciding instead to stay downstairs abusing her brothers.
I said, 'I'm NOT putting up with this'. I went up to her room and confiscated her 'phone, ipod and camera and hid them in my sock drawer. I came downstairs and told her they were confiscated and she could have them back one by one when she can show and improvement in her behaviour.'
I carried on with the laundry and before I knew it she'd been in my room, found the stuff and taken it all back. I said give me it back. She wouldn't. Feeling completely powerless and utterly disrespected I flipped and shouted at her through her bedroom door (she was holding it closed so I couldn't come in and talk to her) things like this, 'You are NOT going to be allowed to spoil things anymore. You are being HORRIBLE. I'm NOT having it. You NEVER say sorry. You're really nasty to everyone in the house and you are NEVER sorry. I will not have another year of this.'
I didn't swear but I was shouting in a mad woman sort of way between sobs. Soon afterwards she went out but before doing so launched a chemical attack on my bedroom spraying what smells like it must be an entire can of Impulse into my room.
I don't what to do about her. She's making all our lives a misery.
Here's one idea: She's supposed to be getting a desktop computer in the sales for a late Christmas present as is her brother. I could refuse to buy it. The only problem is that she really needs it for homework and we're hoping it'll make her go and spend more time in her room instead of downstairs shouting at everyone all the time.
My 14 year old DD drives me to distraction too - perhaps not as extreme as yours but pretty much constantly angry and rude etc.
I too have the book Flow suggested and re-read bits of often. The bit I go back to when things are bad is this:
What is it to be the parent of a teenager? It is to do what you think best - when really you have no idea what is best. It is to ride out the storms and be back again the next day. It is to continue to give love to a child who does not seem to want it, to a child who, five minutes earlier, seemed to deserve a slap more than anything else.
Stick in there, try and stay calm and keep telling yourself it will pass!
Yes you are definitely far too soft. Your dd knows that you don't mean what you say, basically.
Totally agree to hit her where it hurts. She does not NEED her own computer, she does not NEED a phone, previous generations of teens survived without.
I would take away all and anything she values and give it back incrementally as behaviour improves. She NEEDS to learn that her actions have consequences and she cannot get away with behaving the way she currently does. It is your job as her parent to teach her these things.
Dunno AnyFucker... I do it with my DS's Vodafone contract phone...
You are far too soft! I hope you reconfiscated the phone etc, and the Impulse, when she left the house. Don't go running after her when she storms out, and don't buy her the computer. Many children can't afford home computers and they get through school OK. There will be an IT suite at her school that she can use, and your local library will have computers and free internet.
Can you block just outgoing msgs/calls from an i-phone?? I like the sound of that.
Hi. I'm new to mums net and the 14yr old sounds just like my 16 (nearly 17) yr old. She is just vile at times and alienates all the family with her surly behaviour and attitude, and then wonders why no one has time for her. I can honestly say at this point I don't like my daughter at all (although I still love her) but she is such hard work. Its been good to read that I am not the only one going through behaviour like her, especially as she has an older brother and sister and they were never this hard going.
Spidermamma. Punishments are not about revenge. They are about teaching them that actions have consequences.
If she's not used to being punished at home then it's little surprise that she feels she can tell her brothers to F off and hit them.
The key (which I admit I don't always get 100%) is to punish them calmly. Then stick to it, come hell or high water.
Only you will know if not buying a computer is an appropriate punishment.
A friend of mine suggests the best thing to do is hit them where it really hurts. The pocket. If they don't have any money/credit, they can't do anything.
My DD is skating on very thin ice at the moment and if not careful, she'll find I will stop her allowance and phone credit. Then I'll block the wifi so she can't message her BF 30,000 a day!
I would get much stricter. Worked with my DD. She has always been very headstrong and very very challenging at one point. Agressive with sibs, rude to us etc, tantrums that took doors off hinges etc.
We managed to cope through it and she is much better now (16). We neve gave in or allowed disrespect. I wouldn't have let her get her stuff back, I would have sat on it if I had to! Take the phone, contract or not. Or let her use the contract sim in a rubbish phone not a blackberry etc. That is what I did. My DD is on a contract Sim now where I can cancel anytime. My DD knows if she does't respect me she gets only the basics and I don't do any special meals she likes etc or go out of my way for her. I also ground her if need be. She has to learn that you don't get things if you treat people like dirt. If she did it to friends, school or employers she would ge in trouble. I would definately not buy the computer. My 16 year old shares our family one and is fine with homework etc and predicted top grades. They don't need their own. I would make her earn priveledges. It will get worse before it gets better but you need to be te boss no matter how hard it gets, good luck.
I'm another one with a lock on my bedroom door. I lock my room whenever I'm not in it, and often when I am. I carry the key around in my pocket. I resisted doing it for a very long time (it felt like an admission of failure, I think) but it made such a difference I wish I'd done it much sooner.
My life improved immensely the day I put a lock on my bedroom door. In fact I put two locks - one to keep them out, the other to lock myself in.
Pick your battles.
Sit down and decide what really matters and have direct and instant consequences for those things. Let some of the other stuff (tidiness for example) go for the moment.
Don't confiscate, block!
You said she's on contract, yes? And since she is under 18, this must be a contract in your name... So call up the provider, and say "Hello, I'd like a temporary block on outgoing calls and texts on 07xxxxxxxxx".
This means you can call and text her but she can't make any calls or send any texts, until you call up and remove the block.
I did this often to my DS at the same age. It was my regular sanction if he (a) didn't tell me where he was going at night, (b) didn't come home at agreed times, or (c) didn't communicate with me/respond to texts etc. as necessary. I would then text and say "Your phone is blocked until X" and X could be a specific day or time, or could be "until you answer my calls".
It worked for me!
There's some really good advice on here - a lot of it better than mine and I take your point about behaviour escalating if you get into a pissing contest. However, I think rudeness, swearing and generally being horrible should lead to some kind of consequences as no one out there in the real world would put up with it - teachers, for instance, and later employers. I really don't think a 14-year-old is suddenly going to improve his/her behaviour if you don't have some way of censuring them for it.
No, you're not a mug. You are just being a good parent and trying to do your best for your child.
Remember, no child is perfect and no parent is either. You don't need to be. You just need to be 'good enough'.
And SecondComing I agree I can be a bit of a mug sometimes. I'll make it one of my new year's resolutions to stop being as much of a mug.
Flow4 I'm back now. She got back before me. You're right there's no need to worry about a 14 year old out at 4.15 it's just that she went out without her phone (which I have successfully managed to confiscate) and after I flipped so I felt very uneasy. You're absolutely right though. No need.
I don't think I need to back off. If anything I am a little too hands off as my mum always was. We had too much freedom.
I'm totally with you and Insancerre in terms of modelling the kind of behaviour I expect from her. Who knows, one of these fine days it might even work!
Oops, it took me so long to write that post there are lots of other posts I missed in the meantime!
Spider, sorry if this is a rude question, but why are you worried about where your DD is at 4:15 on a Saturday afternoon? She's 14 - I don't think you need to know exactly where she is in the middle of a weekend afternoon... I wonder if she's kicking off partly because she needs you to back off a bit more...?
14 year olds - who'd have 'em?
I have fallen out with mine today because he was being surly with me.
We were on our way to the gym (something he's mad about) and I got cross with his grunted replies to everything I said, so I turned the car around and drove him home and went on my own.
If he ever swore at me, or any member of the family!! Unthinkable.
I have ZERO tolerance with any sort of disrespectful behaviour. He has free reign to take himself off to his room if he's feeling annoyed with the world, but I won't have him taking it out on the rest of us.
He's nice 85% of the time, I reckon. But he can be vile. I think girls are harder at this age.
He's got a friend here now, but I'll be expecting an apology once he goes.
You need to 'model' the kind of behaviour you want from her - especially being calm, polite and respectful
yyy, and yes again. How can we expect our tenagers to behave like adults when their parents behave worse than they do?
Good luck spidermama, you will come through this and you will be proud of your daughter too.
Flow4 I LOVE that book. I will re-read it. I also found it incredibly useful.
Off out searching now. Thanks for all the help. I'll catch up with this thread when I get back.
Whistlestop I have written letters before. She writes longer ones back saying no-one understands her and everyone gangs up on her and is it any wonder she's so horrible when she has to live with a family of freaks etc.
I'm going out in the car to look for her now as its getting dark. I don't know where she is and I'm worried.
Have you read this book, spider? I found it very interesting, reassuring and useful.
Your DD's behaviour is very common, though still of course utterly horrible. You need to 'model' the kind of behaviour you want from her - especially being calm, polite and respectful. Some people will suggest removing all privileges and cracking down hard, but IME this tactic only works with teenagers who already behave calmly, politely and respectfully - i.e. it's a tactic that almost never works. Generally, it simply 'raises the stakes' and creates a horrific cycle of conflict, where they do something awful, you do something to punish them, they do something in revenge, you punish further, and so on...
These are really difficult years. They are 'breaking free' of you emotionally, and many of them seem to need to do it by being really horrible! Also, parents feel like they are 'losing control', and the reality is that you are! Lots of parents panic a bit at this point, and try tactics like taking away everything their DCs own, grounding them forever and stopping money until they're 21! All very understandable but not very effective!
You need to find new ways of dealing with them IMO, that involve much more negotiation and reward/incentive, and much less punishment. insancerre's advice sounds good to me.
Over on this thread, some of us who have been living with very difficult/troubled teenagers have developed a kind of mantra: detach, be nice to yourself, protect yourself, find someone to talk to... It doesn't sound like you need 'protect yourself' (though you'd be amazed at the number of parents who do experience violence from their teens), but the other 'rules' may help
I could have written that about dd(16) , even to the singing which drives me nuts. I lose it too; it has been a tough teenage Christmas here. I don't have any answers (when I removed phone she unscrewed the locks of my door). Things are slowly getting better here though. Things I have found that help:
1. Having a small Sat job.
2. Not keeping awful behaviour as a private family secret (dd charming at school).
3. Going away. Right away. Out of the house.
I know what you're saying balloonslayer but I just don't do revenge and I really believe that it's best to treat kids respectfully as I would like to be treated.
I've never been a fan of punishments for this reason. I'd much rather make sure I am always doing what I deem to be the right thing for them and providing a phone and a computer is the right thing to do. I don't think it should be conditional.
Also I think teenagers view confiscating their stuff as spiteful. Any change in beahviour is designed to get their stuff back and doesn't come from a proper place of learning about respecting others.
Not that my way seems to be working very well but there you go.
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