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Ds robbed at knifepoint.

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brighterfuture Tue 11-Dec-12 14:41:51

Ds 14 had his mobile phone stolen at knifepoint in town yesterday. He was sitting with a couple of friends after school when two lads not much older than him came over and were friendly and asked the time. ds got out his phone to tell them. They walked off a bit and then called ds to come over a minute whereupon they showed him a knife and said give me the phone or else ... Ds handed it over.

I told ds I was very glad he did the right thing to just hand it over. The phone was only worth 30 quid. Ds doesn't appear to be too traumatised though I am horrified that kids are behaving like this mid afternoon.

My dilemna is this. We are going in to report it to the police tomorrow . Ds says one of the kids he was sitting with recognised one of the boys from his boxing club and will find out his name.

Ds is concerned that even if he tells the police the boys name it wont get his phone back. It could however make a problem for him as if the lads find out he reported someone by name he'll potentially be in real danger.

I am torn between doing the right thing and reporting the boy by name , I also want to protect my son. Do I make ds tell the police the boys name or not?

I want him to have trust in the police but at the moment he's pretty cynical. Do I risk my son's safety for the over all good that may or may not come from this boy being questioned ? The boy is part of an ethnic gang who are a very tight knit community and seem pretty much outside the law.

Horsemad Tue 11-Dec-12 15:36:26

I think you have to tell the police the boy's name. Thugs like this start small and go onto larger things, it needs nipping in the bud NOW.

Sorry about your son's experience, btw. He definitely did the right thing.

SantaFrontPaws Tue 11-Dec-12 15:43:14

Its a scary thing but he'll need to tell. Producing a knife today, maybe using it in the future. If it stops here and it basically makes a child rethink his criminal path, then it can only be a good thing. Your son won't be the only person he has robbed I assume.

Glad your son wasn't hurt. Hope he's ok.

flow4 Tue 11-Dec-12 16:07:13

Oh brighter, more trouble. I'm sorry. sad

My son got mugged at knife-point 3-4 years ago, by two much older boys/youths. He was out with a youth-worker hmm in a city 25 miles away, and the muggers were total strangers. They also 'just' took his phone without hurting him. The youth worker didn't call the police. My son phoned me to tell me about an hour and a half later (from the YW's phone in the car on the way back). I called the police as soon as he got home, so that I could be sure we could answer any questions accurately.

The police were pretty cross that no-one reported it when it happened. They said that because some time had elapsed, even though it was only a couple of hours, the chances of finding the perpetrators were remote, and even if they did, they would have sold/got rid of the phone so there would be no evidence. It would be my son's word against theirs, and so absolutely no chance of the theft going to court.

Sooo... I have very mixed feelings about this. It is unlikely any action will be possible, so if you think your DS may be in danger for making a report, then that's a high risk for little 'reward', so to speak. On the other hand, people shouldn't get away with behaving like that. confused angry

Over the past few years, my son has been the victim of several crimes (it's partly the company he has been keeping sad ). I have let him make the decision about whether or not to report, because - to put it bluntly - he has a much better understanding of the 'street culture' than I do, and he is the one who would have to deal with any repercussions. That means that crimes have gone unreported (even one quite serious assault).

So I suppose I am saying that if I were you, I definitely wouldn't make DS tell the police anything.

On the other hand, if I knew the name of someone who was carrying a knife and/or mugging people, I would call the 101 police number or Crimestoppers and report it anonymously.

TheOriginalNutcracker Tue 11-Dec-12 16:10:46

Sorry to hear that your son went through this. My dd1 (then 14) also went through this with a group of friends last year. One of the group was also beaten up.

All of the group made statements to the police and it did go to court. The lads involved were sentenced to between 6mths and 2 years each.

It is a scary thing to do, but I think it helped the group a lot to know that they were helping to stop these lads doing it to someone else.

I hope your son is ok.

bruffin Tue 11-Dec-12 16:28:52

My ds got mugged by strangers two years ago. They caught them and they went to court and were given sentences. One was in prison for another offence by the time they caught up with him.
In the lead up to the trial the boys were not allowed to come into our area except to attend court.

brighterfuture Tue 11-Dec-12 20:44:17

Thanks for all the responses and for sharing similar exeriences. I am glad that your dc got justice * nutcracker* and bruffin smile..... Yes flow every day seems to throw up another trauma at the moment sad.

As we live far from the town the police told us to come in when we could which is tomorrow so there's zero chance of getting the phone back. However, 2 of Ds's friends go to the boxing club where the knife wielding thief has been spotted. One of Ds's friends' foster dad is the boxing instructor and they are going to tell him. Maybe a stern word from someone the boy respects like this will have more of an impact than the police any way.

Theas18 Tue 11-Dec-12 21:31:03

How horrid for you and you DS. He did the right thing. If you can get a name for the knife owner to the police I think you should. A friend (not a close one) of my 16yr old died after being stabbed in the summer.

sashh Wed 12-Dec-12 08:55:54

Report this to the police. And tell them that ds might be in danger. Then the police can arrest and bail the lads, but put conditions on their bail such as not approaching certain people.

If they break the condition of the bail then they have commited an offence.

brighterfuture Fri 14-Dec-12 11:46:49

Just an update. In the end I went to the police with ds as he said he wanted to report it.

He was shown some photos and recognised the boy. The boy is already known to the police, in fact we overheard two police saying he had drawn a knife on his teacher at school as well as other incidents.

I had a phone call today to say he is going to be arrested and taken to court. I am happy that Ds has had a positive police experience. He feels proud that he didn't let this bully frighten him out of telling the police and he feels less angry knowing that the boy will get punished for his actions.

flow4 Fri 14-Dec-12 13:23:36

Well done brighterDS! smile

bruffin Fri 14-Dec-12 14:43:37

That's brilliant. The more victims that stand up for themselves and go to the police , the less they get away with. I think sometime the crimes are not reported because they think the police are not interested. But in our case even though they were complete strangers the police persisted until they found them. It happened in April, they were arrested at christmas/new year and it all went to court the next April. FWIW even though there were a few witnesses who came to court with us, in the end no one actually had to give evidence.

Horsemad Fri 14-Dec-12 19:36:28

Well Done for reporting it!

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