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DD1 is a pain in the proverbial

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Spid · 22/07/2012 18:58

My daughter and I had a fantastic relationship up until her 16th birthday - in fact we thought we'd got away with the teenage thing! She doesn't blow up, or fight, or shout - in a way I wish she would then at least she would communicate with us. She keeps herself to herself, flinches if I touch her, is sullen and moody and completely doesn't like to be with us. Very, very occasionally she gives us a very brief glimpse at the girl we used to know - but then she catches herself and withdraws again. My relationship with my mother was strained at the same age but not to this extent. I found some rubbish in her bin and she had written this "I want to just remove my mother from my life. She doesn't make sense to me and every little trait, however small, makes my very flesh begin to crawl with simple, utter loathing." She is an incredibly intelligent girl who has decided to not go to uni ( was an Oxbridge candidate) and wants to come home and begin to study for a career in Musical Theatre - and we have told her we will support her in this as we just want her to be happy - however, I don't know if I can live with her at home all the time (at the moment she goes to boarding school - circumstances dictating this and she prefers it to home at the moment). I need her to spread her wings and fly away so she can fly back again when she has grown up a bit. I have had my huge cry at the loss of my baby and now try to be there but am beginning to avoid her. I would like to sit her down and talk to her about the fact that she may need to leave home for college rather than living at home - it's what she really wants but she won't do it without being pushed - but how do I push her away nicely. I feel terribly guilty that I need to push her away and feel myself detaching myself from her as what she does, how she treats me, speaks to me etc, hurts me. Should I try to talk to her? Should I make her live away for term time at college? How old will she be when she finally realises I am not so horrid? 23? 24? I look at photos of her when she was younger and I ache for that child to be with me again.

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Spid · 22/07/2012 20:52

anyone?

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Ponders · 22/07/2012 20:54

how old is she now? what stage of school?

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Ponders · 22/07/2012 20:55

& why is she boarding?

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triplexxx · 22/07/2012 20:57

{{{{{hugs}}}}

I hated my mum, but only temporarily. It's an age thing. They have to separate from you and be their own person, and it's hard. Sad

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Brightspark1 · 22/07/2012 21:02

I do feel for you, you sound as if you feel very hurt and rejected. It seems that as mothers we have two faults as the saying goes, everything we say and everything we do. I usually feel that I can't do anything right, my very presence seems to annoy the DCs, and judging by other threads I'm not the only one. I think the only way is to try and detach yourself, easier said than done, but it's the only way to preserve your sanity.
But it's important to make sure she knows you love her, and you are there to talk if she wants to and then let her get on with it. Otherwise she may feel rejected too which would only cause her to withdraw even more.
Making a decision about her future is a big thing, if she is only 16, she still has time to decide and may well change her mind several times before making the final decision. where she lives should ideally be secondary to the course she wants to do.

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Spid · 22/07/2012 21:30

Okay - Ponders - she is 17 (nearly 18) and about to go into the upper 6th - she boards because we are a military family and we move every 18 months and that isn't good for school - she was given the choice and chose boarding rather than moving schools all the time - we have said she can come out when ever she wants - she has boarded since yr7 - is about to be in yr13. The MOD pay 90% of the fees we aren't rich.

We have tried very, very hard to let the kids do what they want to do - education wise - no matter what we think. I was forced to do 2 A levels I didn't want to do and managed to fail them dramatically because I just couldn't do them - and then I wasn't allowed to do the uni course I wanted and so am very aware that they have to be allowed to make their own choices. We have always said that we will support what ever they want to do, uni/ not uni as long as they are happy.

triplexxx - I am hoping that is the case - though I can't remember being that vitriolic with/ about my mum - I used to get annoyed and think she wasn't treating me right - but I never hated her - I always wanted her approval. Yes, I wanted to leave home - but I had a really overbearing father and he was the one trying to control my life too much. I did get on with my mum much better when I hit my 20s.

Brightspark1 - yes I am very hurt and rejected - the flinching when I touch her is very upsetting (I wish she would just shout at me) and she looks and talks to me like I'm dogs poop - I don't know what to do anymore - I think you are right I just need to keep letting her know I am there if she wants to talk and then just let her get on with it. We had a mini intervention with her about 6 weeks ago - brought her home from school to talk about exactly what SHE wanted and this was when she said she wanted to go into Musical Theatre and we were incredibly supportive. But since then we aren't allowed to talk to her about it. She is years behind the drag curve with this - but still we are supporting her.

We've found a course together - looked at it and she thinks it is good - it's only a bus ride away but they do have halls of residence - I think she should reside but am I right?? We will be moving part way through the course anyway so it would be sensible really - but she wants to be at home (I think) to save money. But I don't know if I can live with her at the moment - especially knowing how much she dislike me. I haven't suggested either course of action yet.

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Spid · 22/07/2012 21:31

I feel guilty cos I keep wishing the same experience for her when she has kids!

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Ponders · 22/07/2012 21:42

with you being a military family & moving about it makes it harder to know what would be best for her & for you...

do you know why she suddenly turned after she was 16? it is true that many girls do go through a very anti-mother stage in mid to late teens (I know mine did) but generally they are living at home at the time.

as she apparently feels so hostile to you it's quite surprising that she wants to live at home next year, even if it would save money. is she at home with you now, for the summer? is there any chance of the 2 of you spending some time together somewhere, without anyone else, to see if you can get over this?

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Spid · 22/07/2012 21:57

I don't know why she changed at all - it almost seemed that it was overnight on her 16th birthday. One day I had a girl I could talk too and giggle with and cuddle on the sofa, who sought me out for a chat etc. The next day I didn't. The first flinch came just after her birthday and has got worse ever since. She doesn't shout, or accuse, or screech etc just goes silent and sulky. I've tried taking her out and doing stuff just the two of us - she just gets very frustrated with me and is obviously embarrassed to be with me. She just wants me to pay for stuff and walks 10 steps in front or behind me. I have suggested that we go and have a day this holiday and do something (anything she wants) - I was turned down in no uncertain terms. She has been home this holiday - came home a week after the others (stayed with a friend for a week), then brought said friend (gay male friend whom she is obviously in love with) home for a week so we could take him to a festival with us (which we did happily), now she is with DH visiting MIL for a few days. Then we will have another 5 weeks before she goes back to school.

She wants to stay at home cos she is scared of going out into the big wide world on her own and is very worried about building up debt - we can't pay for her fees etc as we need to buy our own home and all our money at the moment goes on the kids. We decided (right or wrong that it was) that if the kids got a good educational grounding even though it cost us, it was the best thing we could give them as it gave them options.

I guess I shall just have to ride it out - just praise the good and ignore the rest no matter how much it hurts us. And give her the choice of staying at home or going to live at college.

Sometimes I just wonder whether this way of parenting when they were young where we loved them so much was worth it! We made them feel safe, and loved, and cosseted and it makes detachment so much more painful - had I known . . .

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Ponders · 22/07/2012 22:04

how does she get on with DH? is she weird with him too or is it just you?

it sort of sounds as if she is having issues with life & growing up & anxiety in general, & is pinning it all on you atm because that takes the responsibility away from her.

does she get pastoral support at school? do you get any feedback from them? (never had a child at boarding school, don't know how it works)

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RandomMess · 22/07/2012 22:10

Could something have happened at school that has really troubled her that your know nothing about?

Could it be to do with boarding, one part of her wanted to, one part of her now resents it?

Perhaps she just isn't ready for the real world yet and is angry about that, I do think in some ways boarding is their own very safe alternate universe...

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Spid · 22/07/2012 22:14

Her words on DH are "my father is sometimes bearable" - which is actually glowing praise I suppose! She tolerates him better than she does me. She doesn't like her siblings either.

There is pastoral care at school and they have been very good this year as she was getting herself very, very stressed about uni etc (thinking we wanted her to go, school wanted her to go, feeling the pressure about being OXbridge standard) - she listened to them when they told her we didn't mind if she didn't go when she wouldn't listen to the words straight out of our mouths. They have tried really hard. She has some lovely friends there too who are incredibly supportive. They phoned and emailed us regularly and we involved the school doctor too - who diagnosed stress (all self inflicted imagining pressure we weren't putting on her). It was hard to listen to her moan on the phone and then we would sympathise and say the right things for her to come straight back with 'you don't understand'. Even when we say what she wants to hear it's wrong.

I fully agree with you that she is having issues with life & growing up & anxiety in general, & is pinning it all on me atm because that takes the responsibility away from her. And I want to help her as much as I can but I can't get near her physically or emotionally.

How old were yours when they became human again?

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Roseformeplease · 22/07/2012 22:15

I am not an expert, though I am a secondary school teacher. However, it sounds to me like she wants to leave home but wants to force you to make the decision for her. Perhaps she feels uncomfortable just saying, can I stay in Halls, and is being vile to push you into making her leave. It is a bit like when you break up with your boyfriend by beng foul so he dumps you. Also, there is a lot of evidence that teenagers being foul is biological and they need to detach from parents. In my opinion it is a good sign when teenagers are difficult at home; it shows they do feel secure and do know they are loved. The ones who are good and polite all the time are often treading on eggshells, afraid to do what they want.

Maybe just back off a long way and let her come to you. One mother I know began to text her son, knowing that he would respond to brief, friendly communications where face to face didn't work.

You sound like a lovely Mum and will have a lovely daughter. I know it is a cliche, but it is probably just a phase she is going through.

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Spid · 22/07/2012 22:19

RFMP - The embarrassing thing is I too have been a secondary school teacher - working in PRUs or Special Behavioural schools - those children really needed help, and I was good at my job. Yet I can't break though to my own child!

Thank you for your kind words - I do hope there is light.

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Ponders · 22/07/2012 22:33

Spid, I just asked my elder daughter - who lives at home currently - when she thinks she first began to think maybe I wasn't so bad after all, & she said probably when she left for uni. (She had a gap year, so was 19 - so that doesn't help you much Confused but what she says backs up what Rose just said, that she probably does need to leave home, go into halls & grow up, but doesn't want to be the one who decides to do that - maybe in case it doesn't work out at first?)

DD1 & her sister both have much more fun with their dad (& his mum) - & I often feel like an alien when they're all together shrieking - but they do come to me about serious stuff. They were both hideous from c 17-19 - everything I said was wrong & we had some awful rows. They are late 20s now & we get on fine (pretty much Wink)

As Rose says, you do sound like a lovely mum, & you are trying so hard to make things ok for her; she will remember & appreciate that when she gets older!

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Spid · 22/07/2012 22:59

Ponders - it is useful having that info from your daughter - someone who has been there and come through it and still talks to her mum. There is hope. I have two younger ones too - 15 (nearly 16) and 13 so have a few years of pain yet methinks! Thanks for all your help - I needed to cry on someones virtual shoulder I think - I feel stronger to go on now. Thanks

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Iwillorderthefood · 22/07/2012 23:01

Maybe (and I have no experience of this) you could try via any of the channels you mentioned to let her know that if she leaves home and it does not work out that she can always come back. Give her permission to go out and try things safe in the knowledge that if there are issues she can regroup in the family home and try again? I was not like your DD but this really helped me it allowed me to make mistakes but feel safe.

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Iwillorderthefood · 22/07/2012 23:02

I was terrible to my parents in different ways.

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Spid · 22/07/2012 23:32

Oh we say that all the time- we will always be there to support them - we've always made it clear we know they have to go out into the big world and become adults and we will always be there if they need us. I will just keep plugging away and hopefully some of it will go in. We could never live with ourselves knowing we didn't help one of our children if we could. They will always be welcome to live with us when they need to. Preferably though with a civil head on their shoulders. And maybe in a caravan at the bottom of the garden if they are lots older - I don't want to have to listen to shagging noises (lol - being silly here)

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colleysmill · 22/07/2012 23:46

Op I have no advice but the scribbling you found in the bin I recognise as a line lifted from a song in Wicked

"every little trait however small, makes my very flesh begin to crawl with simple utter loathing"

In the end though they become best friends so hopefully your situation will get better too.

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Spid · 23/07/2012 09:44

That's very interesting cos she loves Wicked - so she's using musicals to try to make sense of her life and identifying how she feels with those lines. I suppose that's a bit better.

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colleysmill · 23/07/2012 10:52

I did that a lot when I was a teenager - using music to make sense of emotions and situations.

Wicked has an underlying theme of being misunderstood throughout it which most teenagers probably identify with.

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wrathomum · 23/07/2012 10:53

Colleysmill, has said a bit of what I've been thinking more generally: that teenage girls are often drama queens and your DD is into musical theatre so she is probably HUGELY exaggerating how she feels about you in her notes and her behaviour.
The only caveat I would add to the other posts is to suggest that you don't routinely let her away with downright rude behaviour to you. IMO flinching is just rude (drama queen) behaviour. Now that she has made such a show of her 'total disgust for your vileness' it will be difficult for her to return to being physically normal with you IYSWIM. If you make a brief, matter of fact comment to her at a relevant moment that flinching away from you is impolite it might make it easier for her to return to you, when she's ready.

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Spid · 23/07/2012 12:21

Wrathomum - that is a good point - re the flinching, so far I have just told her that it hurts my feelings - I could just now go along the road of - it's impolite; don't do it - and leave feelings out of it. Gosh, this teenage thing is wearing! I'm sure it must be wearing for her too. I try to leave all the doors open (emotionally) so she can come back to us any time - I just hope it's sooner rather than later. She will still give a cuddle if asked (for example - when I said goodbye to them all this week as they went off to MIL with DH, I stayed here to look after all the animals) - no pressure at all from the arms - she sort of hangs there - I then kiss her head and tell her I love her and let her go.

Colleysmill - I used to write the lyrics to the MAS*H theme tune down all the time (Suicide is Painless) - absolutely never intended to do it. Maybe songs back in the stone age weren't quite so good at expressing exactly how I felt. So pleased you recognised that line!

I am so glad I had the courage to post on here. I feel I have the strength to go on now. Until the next time!

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Ponders · 23/07/2012 12:37

I am glad colleysmill recognised those words as lyrics, Spid - it makes them seem a lot less sharp

Here's one for you to scribble on a piece of paper & leave lying around

'How sharper than a serpent's tooth it is
To have a thankless child! Away, away!'

Grin

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