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Newbie, help please

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loveisagirlnameddaisy · 18/07/2014 07:47

We bought home our two GPs yesterday from animal rehoming centre and they're comfortably ensconced in new home outside. The hutch and run are combined (run downstairs and hutch upstairs with solid sloping ladder in between. Homing centre approved it before we bought it.)

Food wise, we've put one food bowl and one water bottle in the corner of the run (as well as fruit/veg etc scattered round the run so they can forage) but it's occurred to me that if we have loads of rain this weekend as forecast everything will get soaking wet. Should we get a cover for the run or just put everything in the hutch? Or doesn't it matter?

Also, we have two boars so should we give them a bowl and bottle each or are most happy to share?

Sorry for epic post, I'm just keen to do it right and give the boys a nice home as they had a less than ideal start in life Sad

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70isaLimitNotaTarget · 18/07/2014 10:29

Oooh congratulations on your new boys Grin
Ages? Colours? Coat type? Are they brothers or unrelated bonded (you have been very remiss in the detail Wink

OK- lots to answer:

I'm not a fan of two level living because the GPs in my life have always been extremely lazy (I had four sows when I was a child who would use a ramp but it was shallow, carpeted and had a solid side , like a bannister. My dad made the cage)
We put a ramp in our Pighouse but they only walked down to the food if they were placed on the level.

Guineas shouldn't go on wet grass, so if we have rain like last night, I'd keep them off it for a day (especially if you have baby pigs, ) they shouldn't get wet bellies.
They will scalp the grass and leave their droppings (which is good fertiliser) so ideally a rub you can move about.

I think in your shoes, I'd put the hutch on a hard surface (patio maybe) so it doesn't sit on wet grass. You can hose it down, and if they don't like walking on stone, you can put newspaper down.
Then get a moveable run (Bunny Business are brilliant)

Food - I only gave one bowl/one water bowl (mine didn't do bottles) and one plate for veg, but as you say, spaced well so they don't squabble.
But , I use big plates - dog bowls (solid and shallow) and plastic picnic plates.
When they get bigger you might need to give them one each , see how they go.

(Though now I have three hogs, when they all cohabit, I might give more plates)

If you scatter food , you'll need to clear it all up so it doesn't go off and attract flies/wasps. They will sometimes take food away to eat in peace.

You can get covers that will protect the whole hutch and run, or you can use tarpaulin or thick plastic. Tarpaulins have those eyelets to thread rope fastenings through, I use tent pegs pushed into grass to secure things .

If you get a run, tent pegs are brilliant (though we need a hammer if the ground is solid Grin ) to secure it. And I use those little plastic fasteners - cable tie things that you pull through the loop on one end and they are ridged so they stay fastened- on the doors (cut them off with nail clippers )

Put a couple of extra bolts on the doors of your hutch too. (foxes, cats)

Cor, that was an essay Grin.
They'll take time to settle down, give them that time.
We got GP1 & GP2 as 1 yo (brothers)
GP3 as a 6 week old
GP4 & GP5 (not related) as 10 month old (sows)
All rescue pigs.
The sows (we got last week) are still lairy but settle nicely for a cuddle. Just nightmares to catch Grin . Usually if we catch GP4 then GP5 (the flighty one) realises she's on her own, so she's catchable.

They have had to cope with huge changes but they have a whole summer of lazing about , and in 3 weeks, they'll officially bond with GP3 (he's been neutered, he's waiting to go sterile)

DH is going to attatch our smaller run (GP3 uses this at the moment) to our Pighouse with a 'catdoor'. They'll have access to grass but only if we open the door.
GPs unlike rabbits who will go out in rain, snow, cold, are more fragile. Usually if it's not nice, they won't venture outside.

Now, you need to build up a stock of cardboard boxes (no staples or sellotape) and Primark bags (take the handles off)

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70isaLimitNotaTarget · 18/07/2014 12:46

Oh, if you do put a waterproof on them, make sure they have ventilation and remove it when it's not needed.

I just put a couple of ice-blocks in the Pighouse ( they have a fan and an open re-inforced window) GP3 gave me very judgey looks, but he's very large with a thick Rex coat.
He'll be pressed up against the ice-block knowing him (it's wrapped in newspaper BTW) Grin

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fortifiedwithtea · 18/07/2014 13:27

I have a selection of very pretty feeding bowls. But tbh I've given up using one for veg. My girls grab food and runaway to separate places to eat all over the floor, or steal off each other. Guinea pig version of football put one large tomato in a hutch and see what 3 guinea pigs do with it. They pass the 'ball' with their teeth, maybe I should call it rugby Wink

Try to get them to drink from a bottle, a lot won't but it's a pita if they don't because they get poo and hay in their water.

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loveisagirlnameddaisy · 18/07/2014 20:47

Wow, 70, you are the expert! Thanks for all the advice. We spent £150 on the run/hutch so not keen to buy anything else unless I can help it. Are you saying that they should not be kept on grass? They can get off the wet grass as there is covered areas in the run plus the hutch which is totally dry ( although I hear what you're saying about them being lazy). Not sure what I should do with them if it rains.

We only have grass in the garden plus a deck near the house. Would it be better to put them on the deck with newspaper underfoot?

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loveisagirlnameddaisy · 18/07/2014 20:52

With regards to details, we don't have many. We weren't told their ages (they came from a hoarding situation, a lady had over 200 in her house) so the rehoming centre had a lot to rehome! One is brown shorthaired, the other is black/white longhaired, neither are satins but apart from that I know nothing and tbh, I'm a bit clueless about GPs so am still slowly learning all this stuff.

They are very cute though and I love hearing them chat. Grin

Oh, am a little concerned that they're not drinking much water. We were advised to use a bottle because of contamination in a bowl with faeces but they've hardly touched it. They were using bottles at the rehoming centre so I assume they know how to use one. I've given them some watery veg just now (cucumbers and tomatoes) which they guzzled as soon as they saw them but would you expect them to drink a lot. In this heat I assumed they would and am a bit concerned they're not.

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70isaLimitNotaTarget · 18/07/2014 22:22

Blush I'm not an expert, I have had alot of guineas over my lifetime .

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Littlefish · 18/07/2014 22:25

My GPs barely drink anything. I was really worried when we first got them, but 70isaLimit reassured me that it might be normal for them. She was right - they've never drunk very much. In fact today is the first time I've ever seen them drink anything - it must be the heat.

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bluebump · 18/07/2014 22:28

Mine have a similar hutch but only one can work out how to get down the slope, the other will do it if you put her on it but NEITHER can get back up so I was scrabbling around trying to catch them last night when the rain hit us at 10pm in the dark trying to move them upstairs in the warm, dry area!

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70isaLimitNotaTarget · 18/07/2014 22:38

The trouble with hutch/runs on grass is -
you can't move it easily (and they do scoff the grass, when we move our run, it's like a plague of locusts has been there. We need to move GP3 small run, there's a huge pile of poohs in it.) We bought a massive run from BunnyBusiness a couple of years back (it's about 84" long ) for about £45, they have different sizes.
And wood on grass needs to be protected or it will rot.

The run below the hutch gives them the option of having some fresh air when they choose, so hopefully your pigs will use the ramp ( mine are particularly lazy Grin

If you put them on the decking, make sure it's in a secure sheltered spot, away from wind and full sun . (And you'd need something to cover if there's any gaps in the decking ) . If you can, secure the hutch against getting knocked.

My new girls came from a huge Rescue (over 300) they were both pg, had their piglets and the day before we got them they were weaned away. So they were a bit confused and befuddled, poor things.
One of my girls is so tiny, I look at her and think "You poor little scrap, what a start to your life Sad "
They do drink from a bottle, it's my boar types who were stroppy .

Satins are beautiful almost luminous (their hair strands are hollow, so reflect light) but the downside to breeding this beauty, is they have joint problems .

I'll find the website that has lots of guinea info.
We found out that our fluffy little GP3 was a Rex not a Swiss (I was relieved, the Swiss are more fragile. Rex are like a Steiff Teddy Bear )

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70isaLimitNotaTarget · 18/07/2014 22:41

GP5 is my 17th guinea-pig Grin (since I was 9yo, not all together)

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70isaLimitNotaTarget · 18/07/2014 22:47

Rodents With Attitude have a guinea-pig breeds page (some USA sites have different names for breeds. They sometimes call Rex a Teddy)

Look at the Rex halfway down, who couldn't love those faces?
We call GP3 The Malevolant Teddy Bear he looks like a demony child's toy with his red eyes Grin

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FernieB · 19/07/2014 08:04

If you keep them on grass you need to be vigilant about picking up their poo as it will attract flies. On a hard surface you can just hose it away. A separate moveable run would be great to have as well as you can move them around the grass on nice days and they will mow the lawn for you (and fertilise it). I rarely mow my lawn myself Grin

They don't drink much - all the watery veg is enough. Every do often one of mine will have a go at the bottle but I think that is more to be noisy and get my attention so I can fetch him something from the fridge.

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loveisagirlnameddaisy · 19/07/2014 09:06

Ok, so it sounds like I just need to keep moving the hutch/run about quite frequently. We haven't got the funds to buy another separate run at the moment.

So on a rainy day like today, do you keep them in the hutch or let them out in the run in the hope that they'll make their way inside if it gets too wet? And what do you all do when you go out for the day? Thanks for all the fab advice, keep it coming. I'm more nervous about these boys than when I bought DD home from hospital!

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loveisagirlnameddaisy · 19/07/2014 09:06

bluebump you've got a similar set up to mine, what do you do in wet weather or when you're out all day?

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loveisagirlnameddaisy · 19/07/2014 09:44

Sorry, one more question... They came home from the animal shelter in a pet carrier (the size you'd put a cat in) and they've got lots of clean hay in there plus its lines with newspaper. We were told to put this in the run with the door removed and they could come out of their own accord when they were more comfortable with their new surroundings.

They've slept in there the last two nights but this was only meant to be a temporary thing until they ventured up into the hutch. I'm wondering if they'll ever do this of their own accord and I'm discovering that many don't because of the ladder. Would it be mean to put them in there tonight? I'd rather they slept up there as a) it's completely waterproof and b) it's safer and out of the way of prying foxes. The pet carrier is dry inside and they seem v comfy in there, but I'd rather they were in the hutch,

Thanks everyone!

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fortifiedwithtea · 19/07/2014 14:14

Time for tough love, take the pet carrier away.

Do get them some hideys for the run. The wooden things you can bend into an arch x2 would be excellent. Think they maybe called fiddlesticks, not sure.

Tonight if they won't climb up the ramp, you'll have to catch them and put them in the hutch and think about getting a different hutch.

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loveisagirlnameddaisy · 19/07/2014 14:34

No way we're getting a new hutch, this one was £150! I'll put them up in the hutch tonight. They've got some two wooden things, ones a tunnel and ones an arch. I'll put some cardboard boxes in there as well.

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70isaLimitNotaTarget · 19/07/2014 15:15

Can you customise the ramp at all?
Many of them are really steep and guineas are quite clumsy and unathletic when they get older.
Some things to try - put a barrier on each side so its more like a tunnel than a flat ramp.
Put something they can grip onto like carpet , on the ramp, or a rubbery floor tile, glued on? (I saw cork bath mats today that I;m going to buy for winter insulation)

If you can, make the ramp shallower, even if it mean doing a longer ramp or making it with an angle (one ramp, a corner and the rest of the ramp, if you don;t have room for a straight one)

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70isaLimitNotaTarget · 19/07/2014 15:19

If you take away the carrier, put their USED bedding in the place you want them to sleep. Then that will be familiar.
Remember they are new to you and their new home, the only thing they know is each other.

They'll take time, my little GP5 (the little Himalayan) still looks at me all Shock like she's never seen a human before.
But I'm assuring myself it's because she's a pink-eyed pig not because I'm an ogre Wink

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loveisagirlnameddaisy · 19/07/2014 16:30

Good tips, 70, I'll put the bedding in the hutch. I may leave them out another night as they're still slightly nervy when handled but very happy foraging and playing in the run.

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loveisagirlnameddaisy · 20/07/2014 12:09

They've gone into the hutch of their own accord!!! I'm so proud. Grin GrinGrin

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70isaLimitNotaTarget · 20/07/2014 14:18

You've obviously got athletic piggies that will use the ramp.Grin
They like their comforts.

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loveisagirlnameddaisy · 20/07/2014 23:02

70, can I ask what your grooming regime is? What's recommended? I've got one short haired, one long (discovered from the paperwork we were given that he's Abyssinian).

What are the basics I should know on hair, teeth and nails? Thank you very much in advance!

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Littlefish · 21/07/2014 20:34

Love - we have an Abyssinian. We didn't know it when we got her! She needs to be brushed, ideally every other day. I have also given her serveral haircuts and had to cut away any really knotty bits of fur, particularly around her bottom. Every couple of months we give her back end a wash in a shallow dish of water, using a shampoo from the vet, just to keep her clean.

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70isaLimitNotaTarget · 21/07/2014 20:51

Abbys have quite stiff rossettes (if it's a proper one , which none of mine were Grin they are meant to have 12 or 14)
If your piggie has long hair it's a Peruvian, Sheltie,Texel, Lunkarya (there's probably more Wink )

My boy is a Rex, my two girls are smooth
GP1 was smooth GP2 was a sort-of-Abby. His fur was too soft to hold a proper rosette but he did have one on his rump and between his shoulder blades (he looked like we'd blown in his fur and quick sprayed with hairspray)

Long haired pigs need brushed/combed daily (part of their cuddle time)
I had a Peruvian years ago, I combed her with a small baby comb.
Others just need a brush over (baby brush) and the occasional bath.
Not relishing bathing GP5 Smile

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