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Clarkgriswoldforever Sat 23-Apr-16 14:09:09

I'm rubbish at taking care of my skin. I remove my make up with wipes then do a face wash. I can feel that's it dragging my skin and drying it out. I want a complete routine change.
I'm on a budget. I could probably buy a couple of pricier things (Liz Earle, origins etc). But mostly on a No7, body shop etc budget.

I have
-dull skin
-dry cheeks and forehead
-spotty chin
-a bit of an oily nose ( but close up skins quite flaky)
-I'm starting to show signs of ageing on forehead and under eyes ( I'm 30)
- I must wear an spf

I had a sample of origins zing moisturiser and I bloody loved it. Skin looked fabulous. But I'd like advice on order of routine and anti ageing products. And I have no idea what goes with spf.

Can anyone help me please?

Clarkgriswoldforever Sat 23-Apr-16 14:10:39

Oh and pores are starting to look open across nose, cheeks and forehead.

Youcantscaremeihavechildren Sat 23-Apr-16 14:16:59

Your skin sounds like mine, except I'm showing lots of signs of ageing, I'm 38 with little to no sleep for over a year..(looks at ds..)

I'm not very good either though, no routine really. I do use super drug vit e micellar water for cleansing, then I use retina a I got off the dodgy Internet as it's meant to help with acne, which I have a bit of still.
I liked Paula's choice products, their bha cleanser helped my skin but I just need to get back into using it as I stopped for cheaper stuff during mat leave. I also use oil cleansing method and coconut oil as a moisturiser occasionally.
So basically I'm no help, just going to pinch any advice you get!

Clarkgriswoldforever Sat 23-Apr-16 15:11:14

Youcant I have been having a wee nosey at oil cleansers. And superdrug products.

I just don't know where to start. Simple wipes/whatever baby wipes are on offer just aren't cutting it anymore grin

botemp Sat 23-Apr-16 16:26:19

By your description you sound like you have combination skin which is severely dehydrated. The dehydration is causing the dullness, the aggravated dryness and most likely the 'aged' look.

So before we get to the basics of a skincare routine, drink plenty of water (especially if you drink a lot of caffeinated drinks, they're only making you more dehydrated). Avoid sugar, alcohol, cigarettes, and everything else you know is shit for you.

The basic 'MN Budget Routine' is usually something along these lines, double cleansing (in the evening, single cleanse in the morning) - acid toning (optional) - serum (optional) - moisturiser - SPF. Full disclosure I'm not UK based (so no access to a lot of the pharmacy brands) and have sensitive skin so I'm no good with recommending budget products from personal use, I'm merely listing the products that are repeatedly recommended here on the S&B boards.

First Cleanse: You want an oil based cleanser (not to be confused with the 'natural' oil cleansing method) to cut through make-up and SPF which you remove with a warm flannel (despite the method being called 'hot' cloth cleansing, hot water is shit for your skin) or a muslin. Use a clean flannel/muslin each day. For mornings (or days when you don't wear make-up and/or SPF) skip this step.

Suggested products: Body Shop Camomile Sumptuous Cleansing Butter or Superfacialist Una Brennan Vitamin C Skin Renew Cleansing Oil.

Second Cleanse: The first cleanse was to remove all make-up, the second is to clean the actual skin and any residue. Gentle is what you want here, a milk or cream cleanser. Ignore instructions of removing with cotton pads etc. Simply apply to dry skin and take off with warm flannel/muslin from above.

Suggested products: Cetaphil Gentle Skin Cleanser, not an S&B but one I've used and fall back on often, Weleda Almond Soothing Natural Cleansing Lotion

Acid toning: The quickest way to kick start your skin again, caution is warranted. Slow and steady is the way to go here, introducing it once or twice a week and building it up to a point that feels comfortable for your skin which can be anything from twice a day to once a week/fortnight. AHA helps break down dead skin cells and encourages cell turnover, revealing more 'youthful' and radiant skin. BHA works deeper down and is good for cleaning out pores and with spots. There are more types of acids and both AHA and BHA are far more complex than described but this is their basic setting. I would only suggest incorporating acids into your routine when you have your basic setup of cleanser - (serum) - moisturiser - SPF in place. If you can't commit to daily SPF and regular top ups during the day in the height of summer do not bother with acid toning, it makes the skin photosensitive, you will only damage and worsen it if not diligent with SPF post acid toning.

Suggested products: AHA - Nip + Fab Glycolic/Glycolic Extreme pads, BHA - Nip+Fab Dragons Blood Fix Pads

Serum: A concentrated and light weight formulation that penetrates skin more effectively than moisturiser. This is where you address your specific skincare needs, hydration, acne, sensitivity, etc. In your case I'd focus on hydration. Focus on anti-ageing when your routine is established and you understand what's working for you and what isn't.

Suggested products: Superdrug Simply Pure Hydrating Serum

Moisturiser: Seals everything in, for whatever reason we're still all stuck on the moisturiser being the most important and life changing product in your skincare routine. It's not. Probably leftover marketing from the anti-ageing overpriced cream era, moisturisers aren't going to do much on their own. Spend your money on serums and get a no frills workhorse.

Suggested products: Go with the one you like already, oft mentioned on the S&B boards are, Eucerin Hyaloron Filler, Aldi Caviar and Aldi CoQ10. Please note that day creams may have an SPF in them, they are by no means sufficient and to avoid clogging your skin unnecessarily do not use an SPF containing day cream at night, you will need to double cleanse it off in the morning. Needless washing results in aggravated skin. The easiest is to have one moisturiser without an SPF in it.

A separate SPF: Beyond its necessity for use with acid toning, it is the most effective anti-ageing product (as well as skin cancer deterrent) as it blocks damaging sun rays from your skin. SPF30 is advised as a minimum year round.

Suggested products: La Roche Posay Anthelios, Biore UV AQUA Rich Watery Essence

Google at your leisure I'm too lazy to link it all up, I'm making a copy of this excessively long piece of text that was meant to be a quick and brief reply, as these type of skincare help questions surface all too often on these boards and I'll try to include any other product suggestions that come up on this thread that I've forgotten about.

Clarkgriswoldforever Sat 23-Apr-16 17:28:35

Wow botemp, thank you so much for that.

I drink about 3 teas a day. So yes that probably is too much for me. I'm always trying so hard to drink more water. I do struggle. And my diet has went to pot last two years after birth of my youngest dd. I'm really going to try sort this.
My bladder is rubbish and I do catch myself saying no to fluids just so I don't feel bloated, vicious circle really as that won't be helping me.

My genetics mean I do have a baby face, but I've noticed such a difference in it lately [sigh]. And I'm regretting not taking care of it.

Can I really change it? Have people went from having shit skin to lovely skin?

Thanks again.

MadSprocker Sat 23-Apr-16 17:44:34

Having children really don't help your skin grin acid toning has really helped with my dry flakey patches on my nose, and definitely serum of some kind. I also really like Vichy Aquila Thermal (in a blue bottle/packaging). It's £16.99, but I found it makes a real difference to my dehydrated skin. Superdrug Vit E cleanser is often recommended on here to, and is a bargain too. Chin spots tend to be hormonal. Remember to only introduce one product at a time, in case you have a reaction to something. And ask for that Origins moisturiser as a birthday present!

MadSprocker Sat 23-Apr-16 17:44:54

You can change it!

Clarkgriswoldforever Sat 23-Apr-16 18:40:00

Madsprocker I probably would have went out, bought everything and ended up with a face on fire. Actually I think I'm guilty of doing that after and Espa consultation years ago.

Clarkgriswoldforever Sat 23-Apr-16 18:40:15

An Espa

botemp Sat 23-Apr-16 18:51:34

You can definitely change it, and since you're starting from a minimal/no routine place you'll notice improvements quite quickly which is the kind of reward that keeps you going initially. Long term, it's quite nice to have a moment to yourself twice a day is just about you. I tend not to wait before bedtime for the nighttime routine since it often feels like a chore when you just want your bed so I do it after dinner or when I get in at the end of the day and I actually look forward to it.

You can always try switching to herbal or other non-caffeinated tea (shock blasphemy, I know), I usually just set out two to three small bottles of water (0.5L) and drink that throughout the day. It takes a while for the body to get used to it, but it'll adjust to the new regiment and be rather thankful for it. Getting to grips with the basics and figuring out what works for you is the largest hurdle, after that it becomes quite manageable and you can expand into the more pampering/indulgent side of it all smile.

botemp Sat 23-Apr-16 18:56:42

Yes, should have mentioned the one at a time rule. Will add that and Madsprocker's products to my master document.

So in order of trialling when starting from scratch: Cleansers first (easy to see whether you can get on with them or not quite quickly). Then introduce moisturiser, then SPF, then serum, then contemplate acid toning. Aside from a cleanser I usually wait 2-3 weeks before introducing a new product.

Iamdazedandconfused Sat 23-Apr-16 19:09:01

Google Caroline Hirons' website OP. She is great and her website is very informative, it even has "cheat sheets" for specific skin concerns and lots of recommended products for all budgets.

Botemp has some brilliant suggestions too!

Nabootique Sat 23-Apr-16 19:13:22

<Walks in. Sees botemp has it covered. Exits> grin

Clarkgriswoldforever Sat 23-Apr-16 19:16:29

Botemp I've started my water drinking this afternoon smile. I know I'm dehydrated, it's something I really need to change. Annoyed with myself now. I don't think I'll ever change my cuppa in the morning though grin

If I buy a moisturiser with say spf15 in it, do you think that's sufficient enough to use throughout the day? Whenever I've used sun lotion on my face previously my skins always been so clogged up. I hate it.
I'm going to be living in a warm/hot country for a few years and id rather find a gentler way to use spf on my face.

Basically I don't want to have a lovely routine ruined by a heavy spf if that makes sense.

Thanks again, this is really helping.

Jermajesty Sat 23-Apr-16 19:33:19

One thing that confuses me is in what order you put stuff on your skin. So I currently use Argan oil then BB cream and foundation. I intend to also add in moisturiser and a separate SPF.
So in what order do I put the following on : argan oil, moisturiser, SPF, BB cream, foundation?
Thank you in advance.

botemp Sat 23-Apr-16 19:34:14

No, the recommended dose is SPF30 and to top up after two hours if you're out and about. The SPF in a moisturiser is diluted (and a marketing gimmick mostly to charge more) so while it claims to be SPF15 when you spread it out you'll probably have a protection of SPF5 or something. Most people use SPF50 so that they get the actual coverage of SPF30. Sunscreen is a really exhaustive and elaborate subject, suffice to say a separate one is best, SPF50 in the summertime and SPF30 in the winter. Though I will admit that if I see the sun for all of thirty minutes during a commute in the winter and remain indoors I do not bother with it.

The Anthelios and Biore are both really lightweight sunscreens and do not clog like traditional sunscreens, which is why people like them. The biore is almost watery, the only downside with the Biore (which is why I don't use it) is the high alcohol content, it has a purpose (to help penetrate into the skin properly) but can be drying for some. I use a different Japanese sunscreen (which are all very cosmetically elegant) but it's pricier since it has a bunch of extra ingredients in it that are beneficial to the skin and I often use that as moisturiser on its own, but I have a routine filled with other hydrating layers so it's difficult to simply suggest you do the same.

While I do think Caroline Hirons' website is a good reference point as mentioned above (to a certain extent, sensitive and reactive skins will find little of use) I'd stick to the Cheat Sheets only. It's a difficult page to navigate as it is, especially for those unfamiliar with skincare, and the recommended products change all the time (eg. she'll often comment later not to be a fan of something anymore due to reformulation/brand ethos but the site will still have a positive post about it).

botemp Sat 23-Apr-16 19:41:57

I often mix products Jermajesty so I'd put a few drops of oil into the moisturiser to enrichen it since they are doing similar things. I tend to work with the principle of consistency, you start with the most diluted/watery and work your way to the thickest consistency and always finish your skincare routine with SPF, then start with makeup. So the order you have it is fine, however, is there a reason why you are using a BB cream and a foundation? Essentially they do similar things, BB creams just tend to have less coverage with more skincare benefits. You're pretty much using it as your moisturiser now but it is more of a makeup product. I'd leave it out if you have an actual moisturiser and are using a foundation since it then becomes obsolete.

Clarkgriswoldforever Sat 23-Apr-16 19:52:34

Actually my plan over summer is not to wear make up at all. So skin care routine first thing in morning. And then half hour before heading out use spf (I'll have a look at the La Roche). And then repeat spf throughout day.

If I'm not wearing make up, but repeatedly applying spf I should probably still do the double cleansing though?

I'm actually getting excited about shopping for products.

Jermajesty Sat 23-Apr-16 20:00:17

Thanks botemp, I have no idea why I'm using bb cream and foundation! But I'll definitely take on board what you've said.

botemp Sat 23-Apr-16 20:01:04

Yes, double cleansing is always allowed, even if you're not wearing makeup and/or SPF there's no rule you shouldn't unless you find yourself really drying out from it. I just use water in the morning and no cleanser for example as I find that ruining all the good my own skin managed at night, you sort of figure out what works and what doesn't as you go along.

There's a couple of different sunscreens within the Anthelios range but the one most people use is the XL Fluide SPF50 version (unscented). Bioderma recently released an SPF30 water spray for top ups which I'm intending to trial out this summer, someone on the Korean/Asian skincare routine thread has already tried it out and recommended it.

botemp Sat 23-Apr-16 20:03:41

Sorry misread that, yes, always double cleanse when you use SPF or make-up.

Clarkgriswoldforever Sat 23-Apr-16 20:22:03

I'll have a look at that water spray. It sounds like something I'd prefer for when out and about.

I've always moaned about lacklustre skin. I don't want to only leave the house with make up on anymore. I'm going to be dramatic and day I'm going to be a changed woman.

Flowers for all the help flowers

Clarkgriswoldforever Sat 23-Apr-16 20:22:28

*say not day

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