Best black eyeliner please

[Macloveswill]

I have tried so many liners....but they always seem to run and I look rubbish within a couple of hours of applying.

I'm not keen on ones you have to apply with a pen or a brush, just a brilliant pencil that stays put on upper or lower lids. It's my make-up holy grail
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[TheCraicDealer]

I love NARS Larger Than Life eyeliner in Night Clubbing ( linky ). It's got very subtle flecks of gold through it which make it a bit different but they have bog standard black as well. Excellent staying power, even on the water line.

[BiancaDelRio]

For me the best pencils are the Urban Decay 24/7 ones.

They're incredibly long lasting and pigmented. Once they're on they simply don't budge. Plus the range of colours is incredible.

The black one is called Perversion.

[itsnothingoriginal]

I've used the Rimmel Scandaleyes kohl pencil for a few years now. Stays put all day, lasts for ages and very easy to use. You do have to sharpen quite frequently though!

[RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie]

Lancome pencils are v good.

[Macloveswill]

Ooh some good ones to try....only one I've tried from the suggestions so far is Lancôme, but even that was quite a few years ago. Thanks everyone, some shopping is in order

[SauvignonBlank]

Avon, and or smash box very good. They are the twisty ones so no need to sharpen.

[Macloveswill]

Thanks for all your suggestions, it really is much appreciated.

So for starters, I've ordered the Nars and the Urban Decay ones. I managed to find both online with free delivery, so will try them out when they arrive and let you know my verdict. Fingers crossed one of them is my saviour!

[Stoatystoat]

Bourjois. I generally use expensive stuff but except for eyeliner. For liquid, Rimmel is great, on a par with Dior for a third of the price.

[LadyB49]

Avon £6 glimmersticks are brilliant. You can usually get them on eBay for £2 or £3. No sharpening, gentle to use. Stays all day.

[Lunaballoon]

Eyeliner is my makeup holy grail too. My best buys so far are Rimmel Exaggerate (push up pencil type with a smudger on the end) and Laura Mercier Tightliner which you apply with an angled brush. The worst by far is Benefit's They're Real.

[maybemyrtle]

Just adding Gosh Velvet Touch (v similar to UD 24/7s but cheaper). If absolutely everything smudges, look at how much eye cream - excess oil around your eyes will make any eyeliner or mascara shift. I think you can get a product that you apply after eyeliner to seal it, like lipcote but for eyes. Can't remember who makes it though...maybe Illamasqua??

[maybemyrtle]

how much eye cream you're using...