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I am probably a naive idiot but this has shocked me...

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libertychick Sat 24-Aug-13 23:03:11

I watched ‘The men who made us thin’ on catch up TV tonight and heard that celebs do deals with magazines months in advance to photograph them fat and then again months later when they have lost it all – I genuinely thought the weight gain was accidental but apparently several of them are on the gain/lose cycle as they earn a fortune from it – what an appalling thing to do – both in terms of the harm to themselves but also the impact they have on other women's feelings of self worth. I used to feel sorry for women who were featured in this way....not any more...

DIddled Mon 26-Aug-13 20:15:46

I am not a big eater- true enough but I do like more than the occasional beer- I suspect if I didn't drink I would be much slimmer but probably a bit miserable!!!!

Lazysuzanne Mon 26-Aug-13 01:28:15

Didled, glad to hear you have it worked out, but I'm guessing that for you eating what you want means eating the 'right' amount for you
where as for alot of people it would mean eating way more food than was good for them

DIddled Mon 26-Aug-13 01:16:29

Eating what I want- damn you autocorrect!!!

DIddled Mon 26-Aug-13 01:15:49

It's all bollocks!!! Read the book, got the DVDs, had the ear acupuncture, done ALL the diet clubs.

At my thinnest I was 9 stone 2 but WASTED looking.

Now exercising running and gym- over 10 stone but toned,fit and acting what I want.

I read some of those mags on holiday, just made me furious!!!

Lazysuzanne Mon 26-Aug-13 01:06:44

it's like a pincer movement
the food and drink industry exploits human weakness for it's own profit, then the pharmaceutical & diet industry moves in and profits from the resultant desperation to lose weight

we are all just helpless fodder for the capitalist machine confused

Lazysuzanne Sun 25-Aug-13 16:57:52

ok Evil, yes I see what you mean about exercisegrin
and yes the collusion is disgusting but it doesnt surprise me in the least, large corporations exist to make a profit, the bigger they are the more they can influence those in power, perhaps we might hope that politicians would have some morals, but well, as per the old adage 'power corrupt'

EvilTwins Sun 25-Aug-13 16:33:40

I think the point is that exercise alone isn't the most efficient way to lose weight isn't it, rather than that it doesn't help at all?

Have only watched the first one, but was shock by a lot of what was said, even though, if I think about it, I must have already known it all.

I watched the second episode of The Men Who Made Us Fat earlier on. I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist, but was disgusted by the collusion between the food industry, the supermarkets and politicians, all of whom seem to agree only that it's not THEIR fault.

Lazysuzanne Sun 25-Aug-13 16:20:24

I am watching the program now and I have to take issue with his assertion that you cant shed fat from exercising confused
it's always worked for me

libertychick Sun 25-Aug-13 14:25:22

I agree there wouldn't be a market for it if people didn't buy the magazines - I don't read them but my 15 year old sister does sad and the articles do make her insecure. I imagine some of the celebs think the weight loss/gain thing is happening anyway so they may as well make some money from it.

The BMI reclassification is annoying but I think the programme missed the point that there are racial differences too - from what I recall from discussions at work, white people are ok up to a BMI of 27/28 but for black and asian people 25 is safer due to higher risk of diabetes. But again, all this data is at population level and individual risk will vary hugely. I like Cathlin Moran's definition of healthy which is that your body should be recognizably human shaped and you can run up a few flights of stairs without collapsing smile

biryani Sun 25-Aug-13 13:37:38

What struck me particularly was the randomness of the classification. It was sort of plucked out of thin air! I wonder if the reclassification of overweight to a bmi of 25+ wasa deliberate strategy to create more overweight people?

At least I know why getting to-and staying at- the "correct" weight is so bloody difficult! Not sure there's any need to bother now.

TheCrackFox Sun 25-Aug-13 12:58:59

That's very interesting Regaining, because I feel my natural weight is 26BMI and I have to work really hard (makes me miserable) to get it below. Won't bother now.

RegainingUnconsciousness Sun 25-Aug-13 12:51:45

I was amazed by the reclassification of "overweight" BMI category being moved from 27+ down to 25+. And all the evidence allegedly showing that there's no increase in mortality or morbidity between 25-28, but it made something like 65% of Americans "overweight" and therefore in the market for weight loss products and services.

RegainingUnconsciousness Sun 25-Aug-13 12:47:36

This series, and The Men Who Made Us Fat (also on at the moment, but later in the evening) should be compulsory viewing, I think.

I might show my tutor group the clip about the magazine thing. So they know.

It's all on iplayer, if you haven't seen it yet.

cocolepew Sun 25-Aug-13 12:45:35

There's a blond zleb, maybe from TOWIE, who is 'overweight' at the moment, and is constantly pictured doing her workout in the park. She is always wearing tight leggings and a crop top. This is obviously so when she loses weight there are plenty of before and after pictures to help shift the DVD she will inevitably make.

Lazysuzanne Sun 25-Aug-13 12:40:20

thanks Biryanigrin

missmartha Sun 25-Aug-13 12:39:06

Did I know? No I didn't.

Am I amazed and shocked? No not really.

Don't care much either, Natalie Cassidy and BB's Josie are hardly my role models.

biryani Sun 25-Aug-13 12:33:36

Lazy: it was The Men Who Made US Thin. It's on catchup. Jack(Jacques?) Piretti (?) presenting.

Yes, high tech bulimia!!

Lazysuzanne Sun 25-Aug-13 12:22:15

sure but they are only able to make money out of it because there's a market for it...the ability to cash in on opportunities could be considered a talent to an extent, it's a way of being entrepreneurial.

I'm not saying I approve or think that there is any merit in what they are doing.

AnyoneButLulu Sun 25-Aug-13 12:21:36

The Guardian TV reviewer was shocked by this and I thought he was very naive, but actually I think I only knew because I liked Natalie Cassidy on Strictly, and so I've noticed that this is how she makes her living nowadays. There are less dignified ways to pay the rent...but not many.

littlecrick Sun 25-Aug-13 12:08:25

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Tiredemma Sun 25-Aug-13 11:56:19

No doubt that Frankie from the Saturdays was starving herself before she got pregnant. She look big now but so much 'healthier' for it. I hope she doesn't del pressure to go back to being a rake again once the baby is born.

Lazysuzanne Sun 25-Aug-13 11:50:20


thats just a sort of high tech bulimia though isnt it?
I mean it's binging & purging without the tooth decay.

what was the programme please...I've looked through the thread but I cant see it, I am television-less so I'd only be able to watch it if it's on an internet catch up thing

biryani Sun 25-Aug-13 11:35:02

Lazy: this man, who had already lost a good deal of weight, has invented a system whereby a tube is inserted into his body (I assume his stomach, but could have been any part of his digestive system..). At intervals during the day, he empties the liquid contents of his digestive system into the toilet using a sort of tap attached to the top of the tube. A bit like a catheter, if you get my drift.

So he gets to eat what he likes. What I didn't understand though, was how many calories had already been absorbed by this stage. I don't think the interviewer asked that.


sophiedaal Sun 25-Aug-13 10:51:01

Make sure you eat it in an unflattering crop top, and look really sad and disgusted with yourself. Push your tummy out as much as possible, and ideally stand in a position that can be replicated in 3 months time, but with less gut. Maybe give your celebrity trainer 'friend' a call and see if he'll pop round to share an easy-to-follow weight lss and toning programme with you? It'll only take 13 minutes a day!

[sad but sympathetic face]

Lazysuzanne Sun 25-Aug-13 10:49:33

Biryani, do you mean that he vomited, far as i know you cant make the stomach contents empty from the other end of the digestive tract...colonic irrigation would only flush out the contents of the bowel and most of the nutrients would have been removed at earlier stages of digestion.
I spose it would give you a flatter belly but only because your large intestine would be less full

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