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EmmaMumsnet (MNHQ) Mon 04-Mar-19 10:01:44

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Sensitive, dry or eczema-prone skin are common skin concerns among babies and children. Some go through short periods of suffering with eczema and others need to continuously manage this skin condition. Everyone's experience with eczema is different and can vary from dry and itchy patches of skin to very sore breakouts all over. It can be especially difficult if your child suffers with eczema to know how best to help them. Consultant Dermatologist Dr Catherine Borysiewicz is on hand to answer your questions on eczema.

Here’s some more information on Dr Catherine Borysiewicz: “Dr Catherine Borysiewicz studied medicine at Cambridge University and clinical medicine at University College London. She carried out medical and surgical training at a number of prestigious central London teaching hospitals. Today, Catherine is an experienced Consultant Dermatologist working within the NHS and consults privately in central London at Imperial and The Cadogan Clinic, where she manages inflammatory skin diseases including eczema, acne and psoriasis and sun damage and skin cancers.

Being the mother of a child who suffers from eczema, Dr Catherine understands the challenges of looking after a child’s skin and is looking forward to helping Mumsnetters by answering your questions on dry skin and eczema."

Here’s what La Roche-Posay has to say: “Here at La Roche-Posay we understand how eczema can truly impact a child and their family's quality of life. To help you manage this tricky skin condition, we are working with Consultant Dermatologist Dr Catherine Borysiewicz to answer all your burning questions around eczema in babies and children.”

Whatever your questions are around eczema, post your questions below and we will choose 10 for Dr Catherine to answer.

Everyone who posts a questions on the thread will be entered into a prize draw where 3 Mumsnetters will win a £100 voucher of their choice (from a list).

Thanks and good luck with the prize draw.

MNHQ

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BristolMum96 Mon 04-Mar-19 13:25:28

How do your products work? I have tried everything under the sun for my daughters eczema and nothing works. Not even the prescribed stuff!

Ashhead24 Mon 04-Mar-19 16:01:14

My DC get a little bit of "eczema" when they eat tomatoes. What's the best treatment for this.

PerpetualSummer Mon 04-Mar-19 16:12:26

If your child has eczema as a baby, is it something that they can “grow out of” as they get older?

Bez33 Mon 04-Mar-19 16:27:19

My youngest suffered terribly with eczema from when they were about 4 months to 13 months old. I had various trips to the doctor during this time, trying a number of different steroids. We eventually settled on one that works, along with a ‘normal’ moisturiser that we use daily. Now they’re 18 months old, I feel the eczema is under control - but I think having a bath makes it flare up, is this common? It’s nowhere near as bad as it was, it just causes an itchy irritation from what I can see. I don’t use any bubble bath/perfumes products - but is there something I could use that would make a bath less triggering?

Didiusfalco Mon 04-Mar-19 16:33:05

My daughters eczema seems to get worse when she is ill. Why is this and what is the best strategy for managing it?

Elllicam Mon 04-Mar-19 17:15:00

Can eczema randomly appear out of the blue? All of a sudden my six year old has a dry, itchy, scaly patch on his hand. Could this be excema?

maclinks Mon 04-Mar-19 18:27:16

I worry that I may be over-washing my child who has seasonal eczema, (every spring and autumn ) how often should you bath a child who is prone to break outs. ?

GetSchwifty Mon 04-Mar-19 18:40:48

There is an awful lot of choice when it comes to products for eczema, where’s a good place to start or are they much of a muchness?

ponygirlcurtis Mon 04-Mar-19 18:46:37

I realised my son's eczema was being caused by laundry detergent when I had a lightbulb moment that his entire body was rough, except the area covered by his nappy. But if I apply cream over his whole body it takes ages to sink in so he can't get dressed/ready for bed. Any advice?

ButterflyBitch Mon 04-Mar-19 18:51:03

What makes your products so good for eczema? There are so many creams/moisturisers and things that are good for sensitive skin so what makes yours different? Thanks

DarkestBeforeDawn Mon 04-Mar-19 19:10:44

My 4yr old son is particularly prone to redness and bumps on his upper arms which can be really itchy. Is there anything we should avoid to prevent this? Are there any products which will help reduce the general dry skin and itchiness he experiences on a daily basis? Thank you.

DoraBastable Mon 04-Mar-19 20:25:11

Is eczema often linked to diet? Which foods are worth excluding to try to clear it up?

DitaFajitaJones Mon 04-Mar-19 21:03:48

What is the difference between Psoriasis and Eczema? My partner and our daughter both experience what we think is psoriasis on their scalps and I am unsure the best way to tackle this.

Lovetocycle Mon 04-Mar-19 21:09:20

I have read that diary products can be a cause of eczema. Is there any truth in this?

ItsHardToExplain Mon 04-Mar-19 21:16:41

Does your product dry quickly? My six year old has eczema and dry skin but the problem I have is he is still unable to sit still for long so if I put cream on after his bath he’s always wiggling around when I am trying to put it on and if he wriggles off he’s slippery to try and catch!

itsabongthing Mon 04-Mar-19 21:17:12

I don’t like the thought of the flammable nature of many of the paraffin based emollients on the market, what’s the best alternative?

Inmyownlittlecorner Mon 04-Mar-19 21:25:29

My daughter has localised patches (back of knees, inner arms) & as soon as treatment is stopped it’s back. I use your products on myself (for rosacea mainly), are the children’s products suitable for long term use & are they get easily absorbed?

GroggyLegs Mon 04-Mar-19 22:55:15

Any tips on how to stop children scratching?
We use onsies at nighttime but my DC is a devil for rolling up his trouser legs in the day.

Also central heating seems to aggravate things. Is there anything we can do?

del2929 Mon 04-Mar-19 22:55:31

why are flare ups worse in joint areas?

username121314 Tue 05-Mar-19 02:48:06

Does eczema get worst with stress/when baby is upset?

Owlettele Tue 05-Mar-19 04:17:03

My son has allergies which cause his skin to be sore and dry. Mainly on his cheeks. When his exposure is down it does clear up really well. He attends nursery so occasionally comes in to contact with allergens through sharing toys (not much we can really do about that) - currently the cream that gets best results is Dan of sudocrem and vaseline on top of this.

Would you say your products could help?

What's different about your sun cream? Keen to not make him worse with sun cream if we can help it.

Do you need to switch up creams regularly to have a decent impact? Oilatum used to work and no longer does ?

Thanks for any tips

JaneyJimplin Tue 05-Mar-19 05:31:30

My son's eczema gets much worse when he's very tired or stressed - SATs time at school is a prime example. Why is? I can't understand why it would effect his skin!? And how can I minimize the impact of stress on eczema?

QuickRedFox Tue 05-Mar-19 12:26:07

What’s the best cream for a baby with eczema who is sensitive to everything?

EsmeeMerlin Tue 05-Mar-19 12:29:17

How often should you bath a child with eczema?

What makes the skincare range different from the many other skincare options for children?

sharond101 Tue 05-Mar-19 15:05:36

Steroids help my daughter's flare ups but leave her skin dry and irritated. What else can I use when her symptoms are at their worst.

ffauxlivia Tue 05-Mar-19 20:05:47

Have you heard of the Dr Aron regime and what's your professional opinion of it? Also do you believe in topical steroid withdrawal, and if so should I stop putting steroids on my daughter? They clear it up then it always just comes back 2 days later sad

lisapop Tue 05-Mar-19 20:38:02

Is eczema something a child can grow out of ?

kateandme Tue 05-Mar-19 21:59:08

when dc has a particularly bad or raw flare up what can help or what to avoid at this time?
apart from tickling it soflty for her it can be so hard to know:cream?or not?just at night?or not?let it breathe.bandages?

Pushpull Tue 05-Mar-19 22:08:06

My dc ask me to scratch for them which I do really gently, as an alternative to them scratching hard and making it bleed. Do you think I should just persevere with reminding them not to scratch, is all scratching harmful?

MrsFrTedCrilly Tue 05-Mar-19 23:11:23

Around what age do you expect children to “grow out” of childhood eczema?
Or am I fooling myself into thinking that this might happen.

TellMeItsNotTrue Tue 05-Mar-19 23:23:06

Any recommendations of which suncream to use? Dreading the warm weather at the moment

Berliboo Wed 06-Mar-19 10:26:10

We have tried different sun creams for my daughter but most give her a rash or itching. What sun products are best for eczema skin?

Boulardii Wed 06-Mar-19 11:20:42

Berliboo there is an Australian make called sun-sense which was recommended by our dermatologist. It only comes in factor 50 though.

Is there a sun cream which comes in factor 30? This is what is recommended for my daughter’s skin as she has dark skin.

I echo the questions about bathing. My son refused a bath while we were visiting rellies for a week, and his eczema improved hugely in this time.

Also how to deal with eczema around the delicate eye area? Optician has recommended using cotton handkerchief instead of tissues as she has very watery eyes. Heavy emollients feel claggy round the eye area. Any suggestions?

Cameronandmama Wed 06-Mar-19 13:09:14

My son has suffered eczema for 2 years now after having hand foot and mouth. We've tried all doctor recommended creams and steroids but they either never worked or made it worse. He suffers worst behind his knees and on his upper parts of his arms. Recently he's had a small patch of dry skin on his face. I'm scared it's eczema too. My question is, can eczema appear on a new area of the body after having had no previous signs of it there?

Babygrey7 Wed 06-Mar-19 13:32:46

I find Bepanthol to be the only non medicated cream that makes eczema go away on my kids. (not just preventing, but healing)

i think it may be the vitamin B5

Do you do an equivalent?

Penhaligon Wed 06-Mar-19 14:07:57

We love to go swimming as a family but this causes a flare up of my baby's eczema. What would you suggest for this?

carnotaurus Wed 06-Mar-19 14:25:54

Can eczema clear up on its own or does it need to be treated? My son has always had dry or rash-like skin which doctors have diagnosed as eczema. He has always hated me putting cream on him and since it the eczema hasn't bothered him, I stopped trying.

muminmanchester Wed 06-Mar-19 16:43:36

why does sunlight seem to make such a difference to my son's skin? His eczema pretty much disappears in summer only to return every autumn as soon as he's not spending hours in the sun everyday.

CantChoose Wed 06-Mar-19 18:14:44

My husband and I both have eczema, we have a four week old with lovely baby skin - is there anything we can do to prevent him getting eczema?

sarat1 Wed 06-Mar-19 19:12:21

Can my baby be sensitive to cows milk affecting his skin, and would switching to another milk make a difference, eg goats?

Drogonssmile Wed 06-Mar-19 20:39:31

I can only use aveeno on DS2. I tried oilatum junior but it caused an almost burning reaction. I had the same reaction as I also suffer. What ingredient would cause that and does your product contain it?

TheGirlWithGlassFeet Wed 06-Mar-19 22:23:11

My daughter is under one and has red dry patches on the back of her legs. What's the best thing to use? The pharmacist has recommended sudocrem which has improved things but it's still there.

parrotfashionista Wed 06-Mar-19 22:39:03

My baby has it on his face and patches on his arms and legs. Neither myself or husband suffer from it nor his identical twin. Is it hereditary or just a reaction to external factors?

ZeldaPrincessOfHyrule Wed 06-Mar-19 23:17:52

How do you break the cycle of eczema on the hands?

My DS is 3 and he really struggles with eczema all over his body, but it comes and goes and is sometimes under control. His hands are a different story: they're sore all the time. We've tried every single type of sensitive soap I can find, but nothing keeps it at bay and he has to have clean hands! They never seem to fully heal before they flare up again, and they just get worse and worse. Is there a way to break the eczema cycle without resorting to using steroid cream every single day?

QueenOfPharts Thu 07-Mar-19 00:06:17

My son has patches of eczema round his mouth. It flares up sometimes with food being there even though I wipe it off. I wonder if I should be putting cream on as a barrier to stop food getting on directly. Also should I just wipe his face with water and dry?

solittletime Thu 07-Mar-19 00:14:16

Is it advisable to see a dermatologist four prolonged flare ups? 9 year old daughter got eczema out if the blue last year. Now it's over her whole arms, back torso and some dry skin on eyelids. In addition to this she had had boils and puss filled spots on and off.
Been like this two months and been seeing gp who wants to wait 4 further weeks for a referral.
How bad does it have to be to justify a dermatologist consultation?

preskayley Thu 07-Mar-19 09:42:20

How is this product any different to Aveeno and childsfarm products?

chl0e123 Thu 07-Mar-19 09:47:08

I have never heard of your product, I'm not sure if it would work for my son, I have tried lots of eczema products, and only found one to work for my sons skin, which is a natural product weleda skin food, but I understand eczema affect everyone differently, for my son his is more like sandpaper skin worse in winter, so I need a thick good moisturising cream rather than thin and wet, occasionally he may get a flare up and get sore eczema spots that require steroid cream, but I have prevented this happening by using the weleda cream often and he hasn't had any flare ups, so I would be reluctant to switching to another product if the one I'm using works,do you agree?

MargoLovebutter Thu 07-Mar-19 10:41:45

Are topical creams every fully effective, or do you have to identify the root cause of the eczema? Is that ever truly possible?

AgentCooper Thu 07-Mar-19 12:35:03

My wee boy is 17 months and has very thick (lovely) hair. We were advised not to put anything in his bath because of his eczema, to just wash his hair and body with water, but his hair has started to get greasy between washes. I’m a wee bit worried that this isn’t good for the skin on his head (which hasn’t been itchy for a while but is still dry) and, i’m afraid to say, that people will think i’m not looking after him if he looks ‘dirty’. sad

Is there any particular product you might recommend for washing his hair, or indeed a method for doing it which won’t result in product getting on his skin?

Cosmia Thu 07-Mar-19 14:23:28

Do you think taking showers instead of baths can help with eczema/dry skin?

Maiyakat Thu 07-Mar-19 15:49:07

I'm trying to figure out the triggers for my daughter's eczema but there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to the outbreaks. Is this typical?

fishnships Thu 07-Mar-19 17:16:45

Will using Oilatum on my baby's skin be enough to clear up an eczema rash on their arms and legs or can you suggest something more effective?

Cotswoldmama Thu 07-Mar-19 18:04:13

I was hoping my son would grow out of his eczema but it’s still here now he’s six and my mother in law suffers from it so i think it’s here to stay. It’s not improving so it’s something we are trying to manage. Is there a way of applying creams and lotions that helps it to absorb better? I sometimes feel that I run the cream in and I could keep adding more and more! My husband generally just slathers it on thickly but doesn’t really rub it in, would it still be absorbed effectively?

Mindblank Thu 07-Mar-19 18:33:39

How long is “too long” to use the steroid cream for? My DD has regular flare ups which clear up with the steroid cream, but I worry that the cream may damage her skin in the long term

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buize Thu 07-Mar-19 21:03:57

Is it possible to ‘grow out’ of eczema after having it for the first 15 years of life? If so is it hormonal?

GenericHamster Thu 07-Mar-19 21:58:35

Is eczema always a reaction to something (food or detergent allergy for example) or sometimes does it 'just' happen?

ipswichwitch Thu 07-Mar-19 22:07:40

My DS is a swimmer and has very angry red looking patches of eczema mostly around his joint creases but also some on his abdomen, and they look a whole lot worse after swimming. How can I best protect his skin to stop it flaring up when he’s been in the pol?

Treaclespongeandcustard Thu 07-Mar-19 23:57:58

Is it ok to wash a child with just water if they have sore skin? Will water alone clean them adequately?

JulesJules Fri 08-Mar-19 05:16:22

My D1, now 17, had eczema as a baby and allergies to milk and banana.
She grew out of it, although still avoids banana and large amounts of milk - eg milkshakes.as she has a small reaction.

She now has sensitive teenage skin and am wondering what is the best skincare routine and products for her to use?

blackcat86 Fri 08-Mar-19 05:40:52

At what point does dry skin become eczema?

meep Fri 08-Mar-19 06:53:17

Do you agree that getting rid of the excema with steroid creams first, then following up with an moisturisers to prevent reoccurrence can be effective?
GPs can be reluctant to prescribe steroids for children, but they can sometimes be the only solution to a flare up. What are your views on this?

AwulaJane Fri 08-Mar-19 10:40:21

My son is 9months,he suffers with mild case eczema. You can see it on his cheeks and when he was a baby it was all over his back. I've tested many products such as aveeno, E45, natural shea butter and coconut oil. None where effective. However I was prescribed one from the gp. Although effective, So so expensive off the counter! So my question is my son has melanin skin tone, I feel alot of the moisturisers are not catered to his skin tone. And the natural moisturisers I've tried for his skin type are ineffective. What can I try???

ButterflyOfFreedom Fri 08-Mar-19 20:27:49

Can you grow out of such skin conditions or would someone always be prone to them?

Thank you.

Quietvoiceplease Sat 09-Mar-19 06:13:20

What is the difference between very dry skin and eczema? My DD has patches of very dry skin which periodically appear, are very itchy and which I treat with a variety of different creams. I can't see any obvious pattern to them. Would using a moisturising cream routinely help prevent them?

Elemental Sat 09-Mar-19 06:41:59

My son and daughter both have eczema- when she was a baby she was covered from head to foot in it, which turned out to be caused by dairy sensitivity. She’s over it now but both kids still get really itchy on and off around their embodies, knees, wrists and hands. You can’t see the eczema as such just the scratched skin caused by the itchiness. Do you have anything that helps with the itch? It quickly gets worse as the more they scratch the itchier it gets.

Elemental Sat 09-Mar-19 06:43:05

*elbows not embodies!

SleepingIsOverrated Sat 09-Mar-19 10:27:01

My youngest' skin always gets really dry and angry looking patches are swimming. Is there something I could put in him before we go to help?

StickChildNumberTwo Sat 09-Mar-19 12:07:08

My daughter had mild eczema as a baby/toddler which rarely flares up now she's 7. However she gets small scabs on her face - could that be related and what can we do about it?

TwixBix1 Sat 09-Mar-19 12:15:17

There seems to be a well-known link between emotional distress/stress and the exacerbation of underlying conditions such as eczema in adults so it's likely the same link occurs in babies, especially as a viscous cycle where stress worsens eczema and the stress of enduring worse eczema worsens stress and so forth. Of course, it's far more challenging to target the emotional well-being of a baby than adults accurately - do you have any advice on how to spot tell-tale signs of emotional distress in a baby and how to re mediate this (some sort of "baby yoga/therapy" etc?)

Montydoo Sat 09-Mar-19 13:02:15

can any foods help alleviate the symptoms internally as well as the creams externally

SuzCG Sat 09-Mar-19 16:16:57

Why is my sons eczema worse in the creases of his elbows and his knees than anywhere else? Is it something I am doing wrong?? Is there anything I can do to stop this???

nerysw Sat 09-Mar-19 19:33:25

I have psoriasis - is there any benefit for me to use products designed to help with eczema?

boptanana Sat 09-Mar-19 21:39:37

My dd tends to scratch her arms in her sleep. Do you have any tips for avoiding this?

janekirk Sat 09-Mar-19 22:09:42

My son gets eczema on his thighs, hips and bottom and I was wondering if wearing shorts all the time whilst at home may help?

jacqui5366 Sun 10-Mar-19 11:45:10

I had a terrible dose of Guttate psoriasis after a throat infection, and as I am prone to these, would this lessen my symptoms ?

rillette Sun 10-Mar-19 17:31:14

Is eczema linked to keratosis pilaris? DD goes through stages of showing signs of both.

ColdCrumpetsandButter Sun 10-Mar-19 18:13:31

What can I do to minimise the itch for my children?

ItsClemFandangoCanYouHearMe Sun 10-Mar-19 18:32:32

My son has severe atopic eczema on his face to the stage it weeps and looks like burns. We've only just been referred to a dermatologist and his skin cleared within a week! Now it's creeping back again 2 months later and is so sore.

We have to do allergy blood tests still, but with it being as severe as it is, is it likely he will grow out of it? He's only young and I worry about him having a scarred face.

claza93 Sun 10-Mar-19 22:45:30

I tend to not wash my baby that often as I find bathing him dries out his skin even more. What would you recommend with regards to bathing and how often?

duffed Mon 11-Mar-19 10:45:35

I think I read that your products can be used daily - Is it advisable to wash eczema prone skin daily? My gp told me that only once a week is best and I've kept that going with my 7 year old as best I can. Do you advise differently?

yongnian Mon 11-Mar-19 11:11:50

Would LRP lipikar range also be good for seborrhoeic dermatitis or facial eczema?

queenoftheschoolrun Mon 11-Mar-19 12:56:19

How does sun affect eczema? If it doesn't cause a flare up is it better to go without suncream whilst avoiding too much exposure.

needsleepzzz Mon 11-Mar-19 14:09:40

Can taking an anti histamine help? My daughters back and stomach are very fry and her inner elbow is red raw :-(
I am using childs farm moisturiser which is helping a lot but not eradicating it

JanuarySun Mon 11-Mar-19 15:46:07

My DD gets a really dry scalp, what's the best thing to wash her hair with?

Anj123 Mon 11-Mar-19 22:05:21

My daughter has had eczema for several years and at one point was referred to a specialist. She has it under control with Dermol, Epaderm, different steroid creams and occasionally we have to apply paste bandages. She is now a teenager and although it isn’t as bad as it used to be, she still gets flare ups and currently has infected patches of eczema on her knuckles. Do you think she will grow out of this eventually? I am hoping she won’t have eczema once she’s an adult.

Leeannextx Tue 12-Mar-19 18:24:38

My 5 year old son suffers badly form dry itchy skin, he gets lots of little bumps all over his back. It becomes so itch that he drags himself up and down a wall and gets hurt! We’ve tried eveything the doctor will prescribe and most night I have to rub his back constantly till he falls asleep and during the night when he wakes up, my partner has been sleeping on the couch now for years as he works early in the morning and being up all night, he becomes to tired for his driving job. Is there anything you can recommend me to help sooth this? I am sick and tired of constant go appointments and nothing helps him sad

Summergarden Tue 12-Mar-19 20:56:14

When my child was first diagnosed with eczema, the GP advised us to avoid bathing her too much, twice a week was plenty.

She still has mild eczema and am wary of increasing the bathing frequency too much in case her eczema worsens. Is there anything we can do to reduce the risk? We live in a hard water area and are considering a water softener.

purplepandas Tue 12-Mar-19 21:47:48

What aggravates eczema in young children? What's best to avoid for this reason?

ogidni Wed 13-Mar-19 14:36:04

My son's eczema responds well to a product for a while and then it seems as though the product stops working. Is there some reason why some products seem to work for a short time but then the problem comes back even with continued use of the product?

chillychicken Wed 13-Mar-19 21:45:54

My 4yr olds eczema is exceptionally bad when using suncream or when he’s nervous, so we try not to bath him more than twice a week which does help a bit, however he suffered with bad cradle cap as a baby and it’s never really gone away, it’s a dry, flaky scalp now but it doesn’t bother him. I read that regular hair washing would help - is that true? Why does regularly washing the scalp help but advice is to not bath too often for dry skin conditions?

Julestar Wed 13-Mar-19 22:15:25

Bathing my daughter definitely makes her eczema worse, but I worry about other problems arising from not bathing her as frequently as I would like. It feels like a careful balance - what would you advise?

Cismyfatarse Wed 13-Mar-19 22:27:01

What is the best way to deal with eczema on the face? Thanks.

user1498912461 Thu 14-Mar-19 13:46:43

What products are best to use in the bath?

UndercoverAthiest Thu 14-Mar-19 15:21:36

Should I limit the amount of swimming my son does as it always seems to trigger his eczema?

Marmite83 Thu 14-Mar-19 15:36:45

Is there anything we can do to reduce the impact of eczema on my daughter as she gets older? She's had eczema pretty much since the day she was born. My husband has had eczema his whole life and we're worried that she won't grow out of it either. Is there anything we can do to increase her chance of growing out of it?

Byrdie Fri 15-Mar-19 10:12:43

My daughter is 11 and had flare ups over the years. She's now asking about shaving her legs : using hair removal creams for under her arms. I'm worried it may aggravate it? We've done a test patch but she usually doesn't get it on these areas anyway - hands and trunk are usually where her flare ups happen. Any research done on how best to handle hair removal? I've told her it's entirely up to her when / if she wants to remove the hair in her legs and underarms. She's not at the stage where she is embarrassed about other areas (on a side note, i'm pretty gutted that she feels she has to remove the hair at age 11 anyhow, but that's another discussion)

RagnarorBjorn Fri 15-Mar-19 11:15:35

My 7yr old daughter suffers with mild eczema on legs, arms and sometimes face.
Her face flares up when she is unwell, but how can I work out what triggers her arms and leg? Also she says all the creams we try sting when we apply them, is there a product that doesn't?

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