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2shoes Sat 03-Oct-09 17:14:21


what is your take on the swine flu and cervical cancer jabs?
I am not sure I want dd to have either

claudialyman Sun 04-Oct-09 09:56:11

yes anyone with any info/opinion on whether to "risk" flu jab for SN children please

Marne Sun 04-Oct-09 10:30:44

Dd2 won't be having the swine flu jab, after her reaction to the MMR 2 weeks ago i dont want to let another needle near her, as for the cervical cancer jab, i think it depends if your child will ever be sexually active as the type of cancer it prevents is one that is contracted through sexual intercourse (i may be wrong).

2shoes Sun 04-Oct-09 11:19:53

I thought it was if they were active at an early age and had lots of partners

sarah293 Sun 04-Oct-09 12:43:19

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mumoverseas Sun 04-Oct-09 13:04:20

2shoes, DD had the cervical cancer one last year at her boarding school when they first brought it in. Think it was three separate jabs between about Oct and Feb? She was absolutely fine after it, no fever, rash etc. Still a hormonal bloody teenager though wink

Ref swine flu vaccination, please excuse my ignorance but I'm abroad at the moment. Think I caught the end of a report on sky news saying they are bringing in a vaccination program. Is that just for young and elderly and those with poor health?

Riven what is squalene? You sound very knowledgeable about this and would be greatful for more info.

We are in the Middle East at the moment and ALL schools have been ordered to close by the King due to swine flu. Wonder if there is a vaccination available whether its worth flying home with DC to get them vaccinated?

debs40 Sun 04-Oct-09 13:41:59

The CC jab is an attempt at immunising against the human papilloma virus (HPV). to be clear 99% of all cervical cancers are caused by HPV.

This virus is primarily passed on through sexual contact, meaning it must be administered before girls become sexually active to provide optimum protection.

This does not mean that it only has to be given to sexually active girls or those active at an early age and it has nothing to do with the number of partners a girl/woman has. You can have sex once and get HPV which may or may not develop into CC. The vaccine is not as effective if given after a woman becomes sexually active.

The jab claims to protect against two strains of the virus which cause around 70% of the virus. CC is the 2nd most common cause of cancer amongst young women.

meltedmarsbars Sun 04-Oct-09 19:58:08

I thought Squalene is made by your liver anyhow?

meltedmarsbars Sun 04-Oct-09 20:08:15

This is the WHO report on both versions of the HPV vaccine here

Its fairly clear and not full of jargon.

2shoes Sun 04-Oct-09 22:19:29

so if a girl never has sex would she need it?
(waves at mumoverseas)

sarah293 Mon 05-Oct-09 08:28:24

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nightcat Mon 05-Oct-09 10:43:11

Whilst the theory of the vax offering protection is quite plausible, the way body handles such insult has been nicely hushed down to protect the industry.
Let's face it, whatever way you look at it, it's a win-win: government is funding the vax industry; those with underlying problems are eliminated earlier than nature would; funding is saved on long-term health and care; if the first jab won't quite accomplish it, soon a next one will be offered to the vulnerable in the first instance. Like lambs to the slaughter..

eg. see extract (link below):

"The immune system does in fact "see" squalene and recognizes it as an oil molecule native to the body. The key is "route of administration". Squalene is not just a molecule found in a knee or elbow - it is found throughout the nervous system and the brain. When it is injected into the body, the immune system sees it as an enemy to be attacked and eliminated.

As any immunologist will tell you, the way an antigen encounters the immune system makes all the difference. You can eat squalene - no problem as it is an oil the body can easily digest. But studies in animals and humans show that injecting squalene will "galvanize the immune system into attacking it, which can produce a self-destructive cross reaction against the same molecule in the places where it occurs naturally in the body - and where it is critical to the health of the nervous system."

This phenomenon is also known as 'molecular mimicry', where the immune system forms antibodies against one of its own structures and will continue to attack the 'self' molecule in the body that resembles the one in the germ, or as is the case with squalene, an identical substance that is naturally present in the body. Once this self-destructive process begins, it never stops as the body continues to make the molecule the immune system is now trained to attack."

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