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Canada refuses entry to disabled girl

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FioFio Tue 12-Aug-08 07:54:06

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jimjamshaslefttheyurt Tue 12-Aug-08 07:58:26

It's normal in every country I've looked at. I don't know about the EU but interesting question.

Tito - the non-verbal autistic boy (well adult now) who writes books has been able to move to the US, but he;s become a bit of a sleb.

Seuss Tue 12-Aug-08 08:20:05

I hate this. It's silly really because we weren't really intending to move abroad but knowing that we couldn't anyway is a different matter.

ChopsTheDuck Tue 12-Aug-08 08:32:18

shock Is this a new thiung then?
My aunt and her family emigrated to canada about 25 years ago. My cousin has severe learning disabilities. Really gobsmacked to think that now she wouldn't have been let in the country.

TopBitch Tue 12-Aug-08 08:55:31

My friend's little boy is deaf and goes to school in America. There are many children at the same school who emigrated from south america, india and there's even a girl from Japan. I'm sure there must be cases of the same thing in Canada nd in other places.

I'd also like to point out that I'm not English-I emigrated here from Malaysia, yet I had DD here. So just because you don't have a child with a disability before you move, doesn't mean that you will never have any kind of disaability in your family.

expatinscotland Tue 12-Aug-08 08:56:58

Not a new thing at all in many countries.

Most have rules about supporting oneself without recourse to public funds for a defined length of time if you are not entering as a citizen.

TopBitch Tue 12-Aug-08 09:04:18

But how do they determine who can and can't support themselves? What if someone has cancer and wants to emigrate? It seems to me that immigration is very narrow minded. What if the family has the money or the resources to take care of everything for their child? Would immigration still turn the family away?

TopBitch Tue 12-Aug-08 09:05:59

Seuss, you can still go on a long holiday. They can't deny you that.

expatinscotland Tue 12-Aug-08 09:07:58

Well, when you apply for the visa, at least to come to the UK, you must submit financial evidence of means - bank statements, financial statements, proof of employment if you are coming over on a work permit, proof of accommodation and the like.

In a country with a socialised healthcare programme, of course there will be restrictions on allowing people in who have illnesses like cancer, because resources are limited. Hence, the term 'healthcare tourist'.

I'm not making a moral or value judgement here, just that that's the way it works. And like Jimjams, I've seen that and those types of rules in just about every country I've looked into moving to as well.

TopBitch Tue 12-Aug-08 09:08:59

I don't think Malaysia or Thailand deny people entry based on a disability and they're lovely places to live. it's summer all year. I can't get used to the cold weather here, not even after many years of living here.

expatinscotland Tue 12-Aug-08 09:14:42

No offense, I enjoyed visited Thailand, but I would not have found it a lovely place to live at all.

FAR too hot and full of bugs for me.

TopBitch Tue 12-Aug-08 09:15:17

Hhhmmmm, I see your point, expat.

I would be interested to see how things are in my "neck of the woods." It could be developing countries are easier to get into. A lot of places still don't have free healthcare, and in some places it's the family who takes care of the child or adult, not the state. It might be easier therefore, to emigrate.

TopBitch Tue 12-Aug-08 09:19:25

No offence taken. I could never live in northern US, Sweden or Canada, even though I've visited them all. Waaayyyy to cold for this beach baby!

expatinscotland Tue 12-Aug-08 09:22:24

if you like a warm beach, these places are definitely not your cuppa tea.

did enjoy visiting thailand, though. terrific food!

TopBitch Tue 12-Aug-08 09:26:00

Apparently, Bangkok has some of the best healthcare in the world now...and it's cheap.

Last time I went home I went to Thailand and had my teeth cleaned and 2 fillings for 1000 baht (about 33 USD).

TopBitch Tue 12-Aug-08 09:32:11

I love Thailand. My hometown in Malaysia is very close to the Thai border, so I go to Thailand a lot. The food is super and something I miss a lot. The food in Malaysia is good too though.

mm22bys Tue 12-Aug-08 09:48:14

I am pretty sure Australia is not keen to take you if you have medical needs....we are from there, but had DCs in UK. They have dual citizenship. We have been away form Australia for 10 years this coming September, and one day will go back, but have no idea if by the time we go back they will try to argue that we have been away too long to benefit from Medicare (did hear this happened to one couple ).

It is terrible for this family. Pure discrimination. I actually did't think the Canadian public healthcare system was much to write home about anyway!

Seuss Tue 12-Aug-08 09:51:06

TopBitch - you are right - I can still go on holiday! Like I said - it's not like I was planning on moving abroad anyway really so I don't know why it bugs me so much!

wb Tue 12-Aug-08 11:18:57

I think this type of law is pretty much universal but not necessarily enforced as rigidly as in this case. For example some friends of ours emigrated to New Zealand last year. Their dd has significant hearing loss which is ongoing - she is likely to be profoundly deaf within a few years. They found the authorities very helpful in providing information about support services, location of specialised schooling etc I would hope this is not an isolated case.

Suess - you are free to move within the EU if the country you live in is a member (I'm think you are in the UK, yes?)

BriocheDoree Tue 12-Aug-08 11:24:17

Doesn't apply for EU countries as you have perfect right to move in and out of them anyway. Some countries are just difficult to get into period, regardless of whether or not you have DCs with learning difficulties, Canada being among them. Rotten for this family, but I wonder if we're not being told the full story. i.e. did they tell the Canadian authorities everything when they applied for residency. I'm not saying that you should refuse people who are disabled, but people who for whatever reason are unable to provide for themselves are often not allowed into places like the US, Canada and Australia. I've known people sent out of Britain on what would seem to us to be flimsy excuses. We are in the process of applying for various benefits for DD here in France, but we live here and pay taxes here and have full residency rights.

FioFio Tue 12-Aug-08 11:48:29

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Seuss Tue 12-Aug-08 12:09:12

wb - thanks! Don't feel quite so trapped now! I'm going to look at places I might move to - just because I can!

wannaBe Tue 12-Aug-08 12:11:06

I posted about this last week

here

Fwiw I do think a lot of countries have regulations wrt allowing people with illnesses/disabilities to emigrate, but a lot of them are now becomint less discriminatory about it. When me and dh were looking to emigrate to Australia i had extensive contact with the Australian Councel for the blind re the chances of me being accepted into the country. I was told that technically australian imigration are no longer allowed to actually discriminate against people on the basis of their disability, but that they can refuse someone into the country who is unable to work thus not contributing to society, and whose condition will also mean that they will take from society in terms of medical provision etc. She said she didn't have any reason to think i would be turned down and wrote me a letter of recommendation to present to whomever it was we had to apply to. I then fell pg and plans to emigrate went out the window sad.

I think here this is so much more emotive because it's a child. I think it's totally understandable that an adult who is incapable of working should be refused entry into another country. After all is it fair that a country who is potentially already stretched to provide for its own citizens should then take on someone else who is not a citizen and provide for them too? But this child will not even be in a position to work for a good few years, as any other child emigrating wouldn't. So it seems unfair to discriminate based on a potentially unknown future ability to contribute to society. Lots of people with LD's do work, so at this stage there's no way of knowing that this child wouldn't be aapable?

expatinscotland Tue 12-Aug-08 12:11:19

The EU is only easy to get into because we as British nationals are also EU nationals.

If you were coming from outside the EU or EEA, believe you me, it wouldn't be so easy.

wannaBe Tue 12-Aug-08 12:12:36

capable even

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