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LA using loads of case law

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46SB Mon 30-Oct-17 15:10:40

We’re heading to tribunal about section B and F of my sons EHCP. A lot of it is because the OT and S&LT is pitiful. The LA response has come back with a load of case law basically saying they only have to provide what is reasonably required and what we’ve asked for are beneficial but not required to meet by sons SEN. Has anyone come across this type of LA response before? And do I need to find a load of case law to back up what we’re saying or just hope the independent reports we have speak for themselves? It’s all been v adversarial so far and now dreading the actual tribunal. Would be so grateful for any advice

Ahhhcantthinkofag00dname Mon 30-Oct-17 16:07:34

Following with interest as I wouldn’t be surprised to hear a similar response from the LA to our case (we are awaiting LA’s response to our appeal, tribunal date set for December)

I am anticipating they will play down DS’ speech needs and argue we are being overly “greedy” in the provision we are pushing for.

amunt Tue 31-Oct-17 10:07:56

I think they just copy and paste this into all responses. They (Herts)did the same with us, but it wasn't really discussed at Tribunal.

You just need to show that the LA's plan will not meet Ds' needs and for him to make adequate progress in school he needs whatever you and the reports are proposing.

StarlightMcKenzee Sat 04-Nov-17 20:55:13

Oh, it's a tactic they have been trained in by a certain solicitor firm. Take no notice. Tribunals are wise to that nonsense now.

Ceto Sat 04-Nov-17 23:27:57

Tribunals really aren't impressed by this: it's essentially padding and/or designed to frighten parents. The tribunal doesn't need all that law spelt out to it, it knows the law already. Is the LA represented by an outside firm of solicitors?

For what it's worth, it's correct that provision (including the school placement) only has to be sufficient to meet identified needs, i.e. you don't get provision over and above what the child needs. But I take it you're not asking for that? In which case it's irrelevant.

lottieandmia22 Sun 05-Nov-17 05:08:26

LAs will say anything to not have to spend any money. This isn’t really new. There is the age old story about a LA staff member who reportedly said to a parent in a tribunal ‘we don’t have to give your child Rolls Royce provision’

My advice to you would be to ignore everything the LA say and focus only on your own case, your own evidence and don’t allow them to drain your emotional energy with their shit. You are right - you will show that your child needs this provision. Don’t let them rattle you flowers

lottieandmia22 Sun 05-Nov-17 05:09:57

Actually I’m just wondering if you’re in my LA OP because the way you describe them sounds exactly like ours.

Ceto Sun 05-Nov-17 09:55:27

I'd almost put money on your LA being represented by the firm Starlight is referring to, or alternatively employing one of that firm's ex-employees.

It is actually true that the LA doesn't have to give "Rolls Royce provision". But I very much doubt that any parent goes into a tribunal wanting any more than they believe their child genuinely needs.

lottieandmia22 Sun 05-Nov-17 13:01:03

Yes that is true but as you say nobody asks for things they don’t actually need.

46SB Mon 13-Nov-17 12:54:36

Thanks so much everyone for the helpful advice and moral support. The LA have already used the "rolls royce" terminology! My son has quite a complex set of needs and all we're asking for is the basics to help him learn. We had a meeting last week to try and resolve some of the issues and they just kept referring back to the money and to the fact that their therapists may suggest alternative approaches.

The school have suggested instead of tribunal we have an interim annual review. I'm very cynical and think that if we did this they just would refuse all the therapy provision our son needs and so we'd end up at tribunal anyway. So why wait...he needs the provision as soon as possible as we've got a school failing to meet his needs and a poor boy struggling but thats a whole other story. Has anyone else been tempted to go down the interim annual review route or would you also be cynical?

I don't think they have lawyers involved but wouldn't be surprised if we find that out the late EHCP, the late evidence etc etc!

StarlightMcKenzee Mon 13-Nov-17 17:27:21

Have an interim annual review by all means, but don’t withdraw your appeal until all the provision he needs is in his EHCP. If they want to use the AR to head off the tribunal then that’s great, but a final quantified and specified EHCP is the only trigger I’d recommend you used to withdraw your appeal.

BoogleMcGroogle Mon 13-Nov-17 18:34:06

Starlight is right, have a review but keep your options open. And they will have had advice from the LA legal team, who quite possibly suggested the interim review.

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