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Aspieparent Wed 18-Oct-17 11:18:27

My 4 year old will be due to start school September 2018. He has development language disorder. He is also in 16 to 26 months for all development apart from self care which is in 8 to 20 months. He has Additional inclusion support at nursery. The nursery have applied for a educational physiologist but been rejected as he's making some pleasing progress however in the last caf they said he wasn't really progressing it's more one step forward 2 steps back. Me and dh have applied for a echp we have 2 weeks of the 6 week deadline left to see if they will assess.
We have visited mainstream school and the impression we are getting isn't great it's all we will do are best we will try. Both has asked about if we have thought about special needs and we have and we do believe it's what's best for him but without echp it isn't a option. I am so at a loss as to what school to apply for or what else we can do.

Ceto Wed 18-Oct-17 14:30:01

Unless and until he has an EHCP, you will have to apply for a mainstream school. There may be some in your area that have specialist units so at least there is some expertise on site. However, you need to find out what schools he will realistically have a chance of getting in - the reality may well be that it has to be the one nearest your home. If he gets an EHCP, you will have the opportunity to think again and ask for a special school if the mainstream isn't working out.

Aspieparent Wed 18-Oct-17 14:38:05

I know I need to apply for mainstream. We have several in the area which is the ones we have been visiting. They are the ones asking if we have thought about special needs. You can tell by there faces that they would struggle to support him. We get the speech we would do our best but there's only so much we can do. None of the schools round here have a special needs unit.
It's so hard. I have asked for advice of so many people and get meet with a wall of silence. I dropped him off at nursery at 1pm and left him so upset. He said nursery makes him sad. The nursery don't even comfort him when hes upset. They won't any adjustments at all for him. They change the routine at nursery and don't even give him a period of adjustment. He's struggle so much and so emotional at the moment. I really hurt for him.

zzzzz Wed 18-Oct-17 20:02:03

Is he due to start in September?

Aspieparent Wed 18-Oct-17 20:40:47

Yes he is

zzzzz Wed 18-Oct-17 21:19:19

So you’ve plenty of time to set things up. If they refuse to assess don’t give up. He more than qualifies for assessment. I had to reapply, but it flew through the second time.
Have you looked round the SS in the area? If not get a list from your LA (phone and ask them to send it or go on line). Phone them all up and ask to look round.

My ds has a similar profile ( severe language disorder and ASD but high iq). My personal preference is for a small quiet Primary with the right attitude but MS not SS, but it is all very dependent on what’s available in your area.

Do you have DLA? If not apply. It all helps.

Aspieparent Wed 18-Oct-17 21:24:36

I am going to take it all the way appeal tribunal if they refuse.
Yes I have looked at the SS and it feels right I you understand me.
The development language disorder is new we got a speech report on Monday saying he is presenting with it ( I am taking that as the SALT way of saying he has it??). So unfortunately that report wasn't included as evidence for the echp and i haven't had no response not even a acknowledgement that they have received the request so not sure how or even if I can update them.
Yes we now get dla it was a struggle to get but we finally got it the second time we applied.

zzzzz Wed 18-Oct-17 22:06:56

I didn’t bother with appeal, just reapplied with the same paperwork.

Allthewaves Wed 18-Oct-17 23:23:44

You need to keep pushing Lea about echp. Ring them, get advice from some of the excellent charities - find out what time lines should be and push. Sadly only way you get anywhere

zzzzz Wed 18-Oct-17 23:31:05

That’s not my experience at all allthe (though DO phone them if you have questions). It’s an admin exercise really.

Ceto Thu 19-Oct-17 00:43:42

The trouble with not bothering to appeal and reapplying instead is that you will have lost a lot of time if they refuse again. These days appeals against refusals to assess are easier than they used to be, because they are done on paper, and they have an extremely high success rate for parents.

zzzzz Thu 19-Oct-17 06:49:16

How long does an appeal take? @ceto

Ceto Thu 19-Oct-17 08:08:20

12 weeks, unless the LA concedes first - which they regularly do.

zzzzz Thu 19-Oct-17 08:13:51

But reapplying is 6 weeks, so what’s the advantage of appealing?

StarlightMcKenzee Thu 19-Oct-17 10:55:30

Because if you are appealing, the LA can assess at any time, - but are most likely forced to by week 12 if they haven't seen sense before.

zzzzz Thu 19-Oct-17 11:09:15

Can you explain star? Do you mean the assessment has to be completed ehcp drawn up within that 12 weeks OR they have to agree to assess if they are going to in that 12 weeks?

StarlightMcKenzee Thu 19-Oct-17 11:11:54

If you've applied for an assessment for an EHCP, and the LA refuse to do it, then you can appeal, but you'll have to wait for a tribnal date which you will be given.

At any point from then on, the LA can concede and agree to assess. You can even put in more evidence at any point up to the tribunal date.

What the tribunal date gives you, is a safety catch.

zzzzz Thu 19-Oct-17 11:15:09

But isn’t that the same if you reapply except if you reapply they have to do it within 6 weeks?

(Sorry I know I must be missing something but I just don’t get it)

zzzzz Thu 19-Oct-17 11:16:58

Or is the 12 weeks from your first application date in which case it’s the same timescale with the guarantee of a hearing at the end if you are unsuccessful???

Aspieparent Thu 19-Oct-17 11:38:00

It think with an appeal it has to be looked at by people higher up. I think the idea of appeal is for the tribunal it makes it more legal.

I sent the request via email am I likely to get a response via email or letter?

StarlightMcKenzee Thu 19-Oct-17 11:38:19

They can do it in 6 weeks even if you appeal (and actually at that point in 1 week if they wanted), - but by appealing you are almost guaranteeing that they'll do it by 12 weeks regardless of what they do or don't do before then.

The odds of they agreeing on re-application are minimal. It's a postcode lottery and will depend on your LA, but currently the Government have threatened sanctions for any LAs who haven't transferred all Statements over to EHCPs by April Fools Day, and that means hardly any (probably none) LAs will agree to assess for a new ECHP regardless of evidence.

Aspieparent Thu 19-Oct-17 11:41:21

We are also currently doing a transfer from statement with our 13 year old. All evidence in and waiting to hear now. From what his school said they are currently prioritising children in year 9 and year 11.

zzzzz Thu 19-Oct-17 11:42:44

The odds of they agreeing on re-application are minimal.
Wow, we walked it and didn’t change ANYTHING.

Interesting.

Aspieparent Thu 19-Oct-17 11:47:57

I believe they are making it more and more hardwork from what I have heard. I spoke to ispea they told me the chances of them agreeing to asses are really low. Even though he will definately need it for school because nursery say he's ok at the moment they likely won't asses. He told me his development trackers mean nothing unless I have a report that says the words he has significant delay. Also told me that the only other way I could try would be to prove nursery aren't doing what they need to support him. I gathered up all the reports I and nursery have and caf notes and sent them. I have to at least try and I certainly won't give up.

notgivingin789 Thu 19-Oct-17 18:46:16

Appeal OP. I would also look around for speech and language units attached to a mainstream school... if there's none in the area, look into your next neighbouring borough. If that fails...independent specialist speech and language schools

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