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Do children with ASD grow out of echolalia / scripting?(19 Posts)
My DS is 3 and spends a significant part of each day reciting TV programmes. He also uses echolalia in his communication, but is getting better at generating his own speech and his functional communication is improving all the time.
His speech therapist (who has now left) said once his functional communication improves then his scripting would reduce, but we're not seeing that. If anything it's increasing. I think it's a stim for him and he finds it calming. He often paces up and down or in circles whilst he's doing it. I also think it gives him something to do as he has very poor independent play skills.
Does anyone have a child who did this and did they grow out of it eventually?
Personally, I don't think it's the case of outgrowing it. I think it's more to do with how much your DS ? Is using functional speech to request, protest, comment, social etc and also his understanding of language too. I think the more your DS practises uses speech for all those things (request, protest, comment etc) and his understanding of language increases.Then he will "outgrow it". That's my personal opinion anyway.
Some children do script as part of their stimming but he may stop that as a stim and new stim takes place !
DS1 did it a lot less as he developed more novel, functional language.
Now he just asks repetitive, annoying questions such as what's that smell?" (probably YOU!) or "How much money have you got in your pocket?" or "what does xyz mean?"
DS was almost totally echolalic but by about 5.5 his language really started to take off. He will still script as a calming measure though especially at bedtime etc.
He also still will pace up and down but that is reduced a bit too.
I can only talk from my own experience of echolalia and it developed into a more personal thing for me from what it was in childhood. Eg I might say what I'm looking for from the shopping list over and over until I find it or I keep it in my head rather than saying it out loud. I'm often unaware I'm doing it so it may be that my reality is different to what I think I'm doing in my head. I became more aware of it as I grew up which allowed me to develop more appropriate behaviour regarding it. I don't know if this is the kind of answer you were looking for.
notgivingin thats what the SALT said but he does use functional speech to request, protest, comment etc. He doesn't always use the correct words but is getting better. But he still scripts all the bloody time. This morning we had an episode of Sooty and Sweep over breakfast. He goes into a trance when he does it and ignores everything and everyone else!
He asks repetitive questions as well, usually "where's daddy?" or "where's DD?". Doesnt matter if I answer or not. He's always very concerned about where all family members are! I don't mind this as at least he's trying to communicate.
The scripting drives me slightly insane
My DS, 5yrs does this a lot with Mister Maker, drives me mad too
We have it with Mr Tumble..."if you see it wave and cheer" and a lot of Peppa, argh!
This afternoon we went to the park and DS was in Bod mode - reciting whole episodes of Bod non stop (we have DH to thank for that, he bought the DVD ).
I was play fighting and tickling him and he didnt stop his recital throughout, even when he was laughing
Its like once he starts he can't stop until he gets to the end. He's in a trance, his eyes glaze over and refuses to listen or answer you. It's like he's possessed by the spirit of Bod
It's very frustrating.
I know what you mean about the trance, we get that as well. If he does it with a nursery rhyme I know I'll join in, surprisingly that seems to snap the cycle and he enjoys it. However I do not know every episode of TV he watches. Everytime he balances on anything atm we hear 'Careful Daddy Pig' and then the episode about the playground. I did read on another thread I think about trying to use the script to relate to them. Not easy but every so often I will say 'careful DS' and he will then change 'daddy pig' to his name....this is quite rarely though!
Have you tried joining in? It used to make DS so happy when I would recite along with him. It was his only form of communication for a while so getting that rare 'shared enjoyment' was really precious.
Joining in makes mine ferocious
But yes it gets less when his mouth is occasionally busy with his own words. He does it more when stressed or unhappy now. To be honest I think it's a good sign. Children who are echolalic learn the rhythm and tone of language, and pronunciation and can mimic social interaction and the give and take of conversation. It's a huge boon when you have so much to learn that you don't miss out on all parts of verbal interaction.
I agree with your salt but think you might be looking at years delay rather than months.
Ds ( nearly 20 ) can still script ... he enjoys impressing friends with chunks of stuff.. or family/friends in a social gathering
It's more like he's learnt to contain it in a way that is more socially acceptable.. but I suppose it sneakily still gives him that outlet
He used to pace up and down and script when he was little.. it seemed to peak at about 8-10 yo when he was making more of an effort with functional speech . It as if in order to get better with functional conversation, he needed to spend more time stimming and scripting.
Hope you don't mind me jumping in here.. I used to post a lot when ds was young..but not sure if I should really be on here anymore as he's not actually a child.
reciting whole episodes of Bod
ds2 was a Bod reciter as well! Playing games of snap were very sedate affairs, "happy face on one side, sad face on the other side, that is not a match" type thing! Though Bod was great for him to hear words clearly without a lot of business on the screen.
I'm quite a fan of echolalia! ds didn't call me mummy for a long time (I was usually Scraps, you know, the handy finding puppet in the drawer on Mister Maker ) but when he did it was in full Something Special mode with signs, "Oh look, there's mummy. Hello mummy". Made my heart sing it did!
He's 5 1/2 now. He uses echolalia when he plays and it's obviously enjoyable to him. He immediately repeats us in his own voice when he's understanding something and he can now use it to ask what something means, for instance. "What is 'walkinglongway' ?" in exactly the accent of the person he's heard it from.
What I found fascinating last week was that despite being able to completely mimic DanTDM's voice, whole accent and everything, he was pretending he was him and in his pretend speech sounded just like a little kid putting on a voice not exactly like DanTDM at all!
I love to hear from parents of older children/adults who have been through the same thing, it is reassuring so thanks for your replies. I love that your DS uses too impress his friends troutspout
I agree the echolalia/scripting is a good sign, it's how he's learning to talk basically which might be different from the usual way but at least he's learning
Yes my dd used a lot of scripted language at that age. She's just turned seven and her speech is on a par with her peers.
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