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More of an AIBU (SEN related)

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MrsSthe3rd Sun 13-Nov-16 22:51:09

To save me drip feeding, I will try to compact the info.

I am wondering if I'm being completely unreasonable here, but please be gentle in telling me, if you think I am.

I asked for independent EP when transferring to EHCP, as the LA one wasn't truthful in her report previously. (LA were fine with this btw).

EP stated DS needed Specialist School, as did other reports.

After lots of LA delaying tactics, they finally name a Community Special School last minute.

I asked my EP to visit both our choice school and LA choice School.

Anyway, EP came back saying they can both meet his needs, which was somewhat based on what the School told her. This is very odd as it's widely known that LA School don't cater for academically able children. (Please note: I do have another child who isn't academic, so please don't think I have a problem with DS mixing with any children).

This is finally my AIBU........ would you expect the EP to ask for evidence of what the school stated they offered, in terms of academic achievements, or would they accept it on their word?

We've never had the academic questions answered, when we've asked directly. it's just been more excuses.

I may not get to come back on tonight, but, I will be back tomorrow morning.

zzzzz Sun 13-Nov-16 23:31:49

Ask where the children go on to after school and what qualifications they gain then show which outcome is more advantageous to your DS and why it is possible.

MrsSthe3rd Mon 14-Nov-16 09:36:31

Would I ask the EP or the School about that, zzzzz?

zzzzz Mon 14-Nov-16 10:12:54

School. It's a very standard question when trying to choose any school. Lots of schools will produce lists of where leavers go etc.

MrsSthe3rd Mon 14-Nov-16 10:18:19

Ah, ok. Sorry.

In that case, they've already suggested he'll stay on at a provision linked to the school, a besd school or a mainstream college.

However, as he's been out of school for a long time, he really needs less transitions. We would begin his transition out, this school year.

Bogburglar75 Mon 14-Nov-16 10:25:34

I'm sorry I don't know how old DS is or his needs so whether this is primary or secondary?

If it helps our DS is 10 and academically able but a behavioural nightmare. As a starting point we have looked at the ideal outcome for him at 16 - for him, at least the opportunity to take GCSES and go on to further study if he wishes. Then worked backwards with the available schools to see whether they routinely offer the full curriculum and gsce level study.

Can you do similar, and yes I would definitely ask the school directly.

zzzzz Mon 14-Nov-16 10:29:20

To assess you need to know where kids go from each option.

MrsSthe3rd Mon 14-Nov-16 11:57:11

Sorry, my DS is 13.

The LA choice of school do not offer a full gcse curriculum.

Our school choice do.

How do you mean zzzzz? (I'm really sorry to sound stupid, but I just can't get it in my rigid head, that if they don't offer the full range of gcse's, then surely they can't meet his needs).

MrsSthe3rd Mon 14-Nov-16 11:59:46

.......irrespective that our EP has said they can.

Apolosies, I can't preview the reply before sending!

zzzzz Mon 14-Nov-16 13:04:41

well some children aren't suited to the "full range of gcse's" are they?
Some will do better doing less exams and focusing on what will help them in the future. Some are better off spreading their bets as they are going to scrape through a proportion. Some schools are better at getting kids into college than others and some have brilliant connections in industry to help find supported apprenticeships.

Outcomes (ie where the kids go from the setting) at an excellent indication of what a setting CAN achieve.

MrsSthe3rd Mon 14-Nov-16 13:19:04

Absolutely zzzzz, and my DD is one of them.

However, my DS wants to do gcse's and he has aspirations, which are set out in his views. I think he should be given the opportunity to do the ones he wants, as opposed to what the school say they offer.

It's all about achieving the best possible outcomes and my DS has the academic potential to do well. (If I were asking advice about my DD, then her outcomes would be very different)

zzzzz Mon 14-Nov-16 13:51:21

Well that is an excellent reason why one setting might be better than another for him. But to temper that, ALL children have to choose from what is on offer at their school so I doubt you would get much support if it is just a case of him wanting to study Latin (for example) and that only being available at the local public school.

OneInEight Mon 14-Nov-16 17:07:36

When we looked for schools for ds1 we asked them to give us their exam results for past couple of years so we could see outcomes. Luckily our LA agreed with us that if you had a child who was capable academically (ds1 had above average attainment on year 6 SATS) sending them to a school where they could achieve at most 3 GCSE's was not on. Having said that even in his specialist school he has more limited options (subject wise) than he would have had in mainstream but he should be able to get enough GCSE's not to limit his choice for sixth form or university.

tartanterror Mon 14-Nov-16 21:08:45

At an IPSEA seminar I went to, an example was given of a parent who wrote to the LA school and the family's preferred choice. They asked for a "pen profile" of the children in the class in which their child would be placed. I'm not 100% sure of what this means but it seemed to be an indication of age, ability, behaviours, diagnosis etc without giving away personal details. The profiles given showed that the children in the family's preferred school were more similar to their DC than the LA preference. It was eventually conceded by the LA that it would be a more appropriate placement. Good luck

MrsSthe3rd Mon 14-Nov-16 22:48:45

Oh I completely agree, and it's definitely nothing out of the ordinary that he would like to do.

However they have said their school do do gcse's. As it turns out, it's foundation level and/or entry level (I don't know the difference), and nobody has passed, in the last 3 years. Yet apparently, they can offer a mainstream curriculum and can meet his needs!?!?! hmm

Surely if they offer them yet no one has passed, that's not acceptable.

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