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drowninginlaundry Wed 13-Nov-13 20:17:37

We just got a preliminary decision from SEND tribunal, they had to adjourn until end of Dec for Part 4 because there was no written evidence on the suitability of the school. But they wrote that they preferred the proposal put forward by us, the parents, and the reasons might be helpful for anyone arguing a similar case. Bear in mind DS is 9 years old, we took him out of school in January and started ABA at home, he has been home schooled since then. Local Authority was proposing a unit and gradual integration, first 2 days per week, and support from 'Communication and Interaction Team' which as we all know in reality is bugger all, lots of 'advising', 'liaising' and 'supporting'. We wanted part time inclusion in mainstream and part time at home, ABA full time. So a very unusual and complex case and we weren't confident of our chances.

The reasons were that local authority proposed initial integration into a school but had no provision for the time DS was at home (except 'advice'). So even though they planned for full time inclusion in school, the fact was that they were initially offering only part time education during the transition period, and no continuity between home and school provision.

Also, the local authority was offering TEACCH in their unit which is attached to a mainstream school. It was agreed that TEACCH was inappropriate in a mainstream setting, and our ABA consultant and our Ed Psych gave some kick ass arguments for this. So, because we used our right to mainstream education (section 316), TEACCH was inappropriate, and ABA was the preferred provision. Hope this helps! Can't recommend our legal team highly enough! believe!!

ouryve Wed 13-Nov-13 20:20:38

Excellent news!

Seems to be a bit of a champagne cork popping sort of day wine

drowninginlaundry Wed 13-Nov-13 20:25:23

yes on it smile

PolterGoose Wed 13-Nov-13 20:27:03

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moondog Wed 13-Nov-13 20:32:41

Wonderful news!!!!

StarlightMcKenzie Wed 13-Nov-13 20:32:42

Fantastic news. Well done.

sickofsocalledexperts Wed 13-Nov-13 20:33:28

Yaaaaaaaaaay! Sounds v promising logic too

Well done you!

iwanttoscream Wed 13-Nov-13 20:33:37

Well done!

StarlightMcKenzie Wed 13-Nov-13 20:33:59

I can totally see how TEACHH is not inclusive where ABA is.

TOWIELA Wed 13-Nov-13 20:37:11

Well done you! Fantastic news.

sickofsocalledexperts Wed 13-Nov-13 20:38:32

It is a very interesting twist: Teacch literally can't work in mainstream setting as it creates an autism-specific class environment, whereas ABA adapts the child to the class, not the class to the child

Could be v helpful

ouryve Wed 13-Nov-13 20:42:20

That's interesting, Sickof. It doesn't exactly go hand in hand with "inclusion" does it, then?

Handywoman Wed 13-Nov-13 20:46:32

Well done drowning!!!!! smile

drowninginlaundry Wed 13-Nov-13 20:50:11

exactly sickof, our BCBA explained how TEACCH cannot be applied into a mainstream setting mainly because of the scheduling. So any provision in a mainstream setting claiming to use TEACCH is not actually using TEACCH. They fell when asked for details about the actual provision and whacked with hard science about TEACCH vs ABA. Our BCBA compared the schedule of reinforcement in TEACCH vs ABA, how in TEACCH is by a clock (so after 30 minutes you can get your reinforcer) which is evidenced - basic principles of behaviour science - to be the least effective method of reinforcement. compared to in a typical ABA setting where reinforcement is constant, variable and systematic. Also our BCBA compared the learn units in a TEACCH setting (typically 3 x 20 minutes of learning per day) to an ABA day so 200 vs thousands of opportunities to respond.

The change is coming! believe!

senmerrygoround Wed 13-Nov-13 20:55:23

Great news, well done thanks wine

AgnesDiPesto Wed 13-Nov-13 21:31:43

Wow! I'm impressed. I don't think most LA staff even know what proper TEACCH is so I am not surprised they floundered. Good to know a Tribunal will test them out on the detail. DS has ABA FT (home / mainstream) and we wouldn't be without it. So pleased for you. Not clear why couldn't name Ed O'wise (ABA) with access to mainstream setting in part 4. They don't need to name a particular school just a type of school. Our statement also gives ABA supervisor the discretion as to % time in school which has been crucial and worth getting written in to statement.

moondog Wed 13-Nov-13 22:04:15

Yes, when you know even a smidgen about the science of scheduling reinforcement as used in ABA, everything else is frankly laughable by comparison.
No science or data involved at all.
I am mortified to think of the years I worked with hard to engage kids without having a clue about this stuff.

lougle Wed 13-Nov-13 22:11:59

Well done for getting where you needed to be. That must have been a tough process, especially asking for that programme. What happens in the interim? Do the LA have to start funding ABA at home while part 4 is thrashed out?

lottieandmia Thu 14-Nov-13 12:50:45

Congratulations, very well done to you - excellent news!! smilesmile

zzzzz Thu 14-Nov-13 14:48:35


MyAngelChuckles Thu 14-Nov-13 15:00:40

Well done you, what good news smile

salondon Thu 14-Nov-13 16:21:15


Who is your BCBA and EP if you dont mind naming them? I think we will have a TEACCH vs ABA debate in our case too

Chottie Fri 15-Nov-13 04:14:49

What wonderful news smile smile smile

bialystockandbloom Fri 15-Nov-13 10:07:57

Fantastic, well done!!! What brilliant news smile

bialystockandbloom Fri 15-Nov-13 10:11:13

It's especially encouraging that a panel will actually listen properly to the specific arguments for ABA as a method, rather than just going on cost, or swallowing the typical guff given about 'eclectic' support and assuming that actually involves any meaningful intervention.

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