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Why are schools not held just as responsible as the LEA for the failures

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hoxtonbabe Thu 01-Aug-13 15:57:59

I have been reading through a few threads and the common none these last few months ( or in my case few years) is the issue with the school not implementing.

I understand that LA are ultimately responsible but given that schools also have a duty of care how is it so many of them can get away with what they do.

I suppose it depends on the issue so if a child needed say OT in school and LA didn't provide then I get that is the LA at fault but what happens if say the school have said they can offer xxx learning programme within school and their resources and then don't? That to me would be the school being at fault.

I think a lot of what we face as parents AFTER the ordeal of tribunal is then getting the school to comply and because they know they will never face any action like an LA does they just do whatever they feel like.

It's like a never ending vicious cycle of crap within the SEN system

WetAugust Mon 05-Aug-13 21:19:32

'spect it's a waste of time sad

fightingforfairness Mon 05-Aug-13 21:28:12

everything else seems to be tbh Wet sad

hoxtonbabe Mon 05-Aug-13 21:33:18

I didn't think there was a replacement for the GTC...I wouldn't even bother with that, I suspect they will be no different than school governors...cover everything up and turn a blind eye.

i have lost all respect for teachers, and when they approach me about some stupid strike/campaign for more pay, etc... I calmly tell them about the wonders of the teachers at BOTH my DS school and how they have refused him his legal and human rights so forgive me if I do not feel any sympathy for you as you, can at least get a job...god knows what will happen to my child....that soon shuts them up.

Hmmm...the press thing is an idea I've been toying with, but I then get dragged back into some appeal or complaint that takes up my time....gosh I hate the LA and more so DS school!!

fightingforfairness Mon 05-Aug-13 21:48:49

I have lost all respect too after being threatened by governors who don't even know the law but think they are above it! angry.

hoxtonbabe Mon 05-Aug-13 22:11:39

Threatened you?!? I am convince most of these schools think they are the Mafia! I'm waiting to find a dead horses head or something at my front door from my lot with the way they behave... They have not threatened me yet though, they just like to tell me I should know my place, lol

fightingforfairness Mon 05-Aug-13 22:42:00

Oh yes - the threats were an attempt to try to stop me asking too many awkward questions. It backfired on them though as it made me wonder what they were trying to hide by being so aggressive and defensive. I then had a dig about and uncovered some interesting stuff wink. Their behaviour might come back to bite them on the backside. They've helpfully put everything in writing too so can hardly deny it.
The press would have a field day with some of the stuff we've had thrown at us.

WetAugust Mon 05-Aug-13 23:59:52

... and I thought I was the only one on here who disliked teachers <can't say hated cos I got flamed once when I said that grin>

Join the club.

hoxtonbabe Tue 06-Aug-13 10:16:41

Wet: I'm surprised I've not got flamed for starting this thread! As you know so many people think teachers are gods, so will defend to the hilt...however i have found the ones that defend have never been in situations like most of us on here and will never experience the careless, unethical, defensive behaviour of these people, as they either do not have kids or if they do they do not have any additional needs!!

The sad part is I can't even say its just my bad luck with my eldest DS school, my youngest DS primary school are just as bad as with my nephews school all of which are in different boroughs but behave exactly the same.

WetAugust Tue 06-Aug-13 12:09:02

Yes, it must be nice to think highly of your childrens' teachers.

I have to admit to biting my tongue when all the 'present for the teacher' threads start up at the end of the school year.

The sorts of pressies I would have chosen for DS's would probably have required a firearms licence. grin <<<< notice grin - this is a joke.

uggerthebugger Tue 06-Aug-13 22:04:55

Hmm. If truth be told, I've thought very, very highly of some of my DS's primary teachers over the years - I've had a few who weren't fazed by the disability, who knew they didn't have all the answers, who listened to our concerns and experience, who had high expectations, and knew how to work with parents and other professionals.

But I've never met a member of a school senior leadership team who has come anywhere close to this - in fact, most of the ones I've dealt with would serve their schools and kids better by being shot into low-earth orbit.

Special shout out here for the head who threatened a specialist member of staff with capability proceedings if she implemented DS1's carefully-calibrated rehabilitation programme. My DS1 would be many years further behind by now if this teacher hadn't had the guts to stand up for him back then.

WetAugust Tue 06-Aug-13 22:20:34

Depressing, isn't it?

sazale Tue 06-Aug-13 22:26:25

There are a couple of good teachers at the special school my dd has been attending and they've really motivated her. The rest including the senior management team are a disgrace. It's interesting how these good teachers repeatedly said to me at parents evening that they totally understood if I decided to move dd (they know I'm fighting for ASC specific provision)!

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