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Anti-Carrot Campaign Manual

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MareeyaDolores Tue 23-Apr-13 18:00:45

This one.

Now, I think ds1 does need some therapeutic education. Some well-defined, boundaried, professional-led, targetted and evaluated provision. On top of the ordinary, old-fashioned, teacher-y style education and guidance.

But instead he (and other) dc are offered participation in generic emotional literacy guff. No wonder autistic dc are failing to cope. It's like asking deaf dc to listen to daily whole-class birdsong appreciation tapes. In lieu of giving out radio aids, speech therapy, BSL teaching etc. And then blaming them for not putting the effort in (and if it hasn't been done yet, I'm sure it will be, the dc with hideen disabilities are like canaries in the mine succumbing to the early whiffs of downgraded provision)

MareeyaDolores Fri 26-Apr-13 21:21:54

<wants a real pie now>

MareeyaDolores Fri 26-Apr-13 21:21:07

Ouryve, I think you're right about the 'reflex' stuff being really hard to modify, and near-impossible to eliminate. Our aim here is to modestly reduce the harmful behaviours, and channel the excess emotional energy but even that's a challenge.

What makes me sad though, isn't that, it's the general and manifest failure to make mini modifications that would give the dc have more chance of sometimes applying the strategies they know.

ouryve Wed 24-Apr-13 15:57:29

I like the idea of the responsibility pie chart.

ouryve Wed 24-Apr-13 14:58:12

DS1 has actually volunteered himself to participate in play therapy, in the past. It got him out of lessons, which is what he wanted. He was taught a few counting and breathing techniques, which he could tell me all about, but as soon as he got into a situation when he needed them was unable to apply them because the part of his brain that accesses that kind of information completely switches off.

I think a lot of the behavioural and emotional issues in ASD are so primal that they're impossible to crack with any artificial behavioural modification.

MareeyaDolores Wed 24-Apr-13 14:53:29

bearing this caveat in mind, of course

MareeyaDolores Wed 24-Apr-13 14:52:29

That Scottish lady's site is indeed very interesting. Now, how to make this into something 'smart' if we ever get a part 3 hmm

MareeyaDolores Wed 24-Apr-13 14:19:38


sorry SallyBear and slummy; I quoted HI because it's the only non-ASD disability where I have any first-hand knowledge of educational provisions

(ie what one mainstream school did for one relative back in the day, so obviously not at all representative, but it worked. I think because they did exactly what the audiologist, parent and ToD advised, modified only by what the child said)

Mind you, an educationally unsuitable provision was briefly recommended because of possible 'later emotional impact' of the HI... said relative is a scarily well-educated, successful and obviously well-balanced adult now hmm

zzzzz Tue 23-Apr-13 22:40:47


StarlightMcKenzie Tue 23-Apr-13 22:28:18

circle time

moondog Tue 23-Apr-13 22:17:06

Gosh, great to see the Guardian (of all papers) tackle this guff head on.
She says it so much better then me.

'As with other evangelical bandwagons in education, it is difficult to challenge the deluge of worthy aims and self-righteous assertions about emotional literacy, and to criticise the dubious activities they encourage.'

inappropriatelyemployed Tue 23-Apr-13 22:16:53

Looks really good. If I see SEAL on another bloody statement! angry

Put quality, measurable provision and support in place for kids. Stop talking about it.

SEAL - my arse!

zzzzz Tue 23-Apr-13 22:16:19

"On the surface it all looks so caring and well meaning and deeply moral."


AnotherAlias Tue 23-Apr-13 22:09:39

moondog Tue 23-Apr-13 22:04:23

Thanks for that other very interesting link Alias.
It's a subject that consumes me greatly.
Youy raise 'self esteem' (God I loathe that expression) by helping someone to get better at doing something and not by onanistically discussing it. This pursuirt of indefinable goals throws people off the scent. It becomes harder to question the motives of professionals as on the surface it all looks so caring and well meaning and deeply moral.

In fact it is just the opposite.

'The paper concludes by arguing that what teachers can do to enhance young people?s well-being is mainly within the realm of ?good teaching? and that they should not be encouraged to become surrogate psychologists.'


AnotherAlias Tue 23-Apr-13 21:58:17

only one left on Amazon now smile - this woman based in Scotland is also is really interesting on the false emphasis on SEAL and self-esteem boosting...

StarlightMcKenzie Tue 23-Apr-13 21:49:31

'star you still have expectations'

yes I suppose I do, though no idea why. Emotional Literacy was my specialist interest area in my degree. First born with ASD. Ha flippin ha.......

zzzzz Tue 23-Apr-13 21:42:26

star you still have expectations. I think I have given up on anyone doing anything productive for us. 'Tis strangely liberating.

That and the fact that Ds is doing well this week. Next week of course he may behave like a donkey and refuse to do anything, and then I shall be flailing around again looking for a "solution".

I am becoming a gold fish and living in the moment.

StarlightMcKenzie Tue 23-Apr-13 21:36:59

I'm not sure that the book will send me into spiralling depression. Even the front cover looks depressing, though representative of a much more productive TAC meeting than I have ever experienced.

StarlightMcKenzie Tue 23-Apr-13 21:35:23

And I was THERE at the 'Carrot Incident' and I was so proud (if not a little stunned).

StarlightMcKenzie Tue 23-Apr-13 21:33:39

Good grief at that book! shock

and LOL grin

zzzzz Tue 23-Apr-13 21:33:10

I will be buying the book too, it looks great.

I am on a high this week anyway as ds is doing one of those gratifying jumps, so a bit of arsey reading is just what I need to fill me with hot air to spout at people. grin

moondog Tue 23-Apr-13 21:30:27

THat's pretty much an apt description!
Forgive me for being vague. Not an irritating attempt to build up an 'in' joke let me assure you. More a case of being mindful of how much MD wishes to share.

zzzzz Tue 23-Apr-13 21:28:36

I don't think I need details really grin. I LOVE the idea of a militant carrot on the loose.

moondog Tue 23-Apr-13 20:21:46

I can't possibly give further details without permission but MD is not to be messed with-either on MN or elsewhere!!!

zzzzz Tue 23-Apr-13 20:15:49

What chap?! What carrot?!

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