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LA disputing EP report and asking for withdrawal

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claw2 Mon 22-Apr-13 14:50:57

LA are disputing indi EP report, based on parental views.

EP is saying as far as he is concerned, they are exactly that views of the parent and he will not amend or withdraw. He says their letter smacks of back covering and is totally irrelevant and he will not respond, other than to tell them the above.

However he has given me a copy of the letter and said i can respond if i want to. They are saying my views are inaccurate. All of my views are on based on written evidence. They are offering no evidence, other than saying my views are inaccurate.

They have also sent a copy of their letter to other professionals involved with ds, CAMHS for example.

Do i bother to set the record straight or just wait and see if it goes to tribunal and put the record straight then?

StarlightMcKenzie Mon 22-Apr-13 15:23:42

I'm a bit confused.

LA cannot dispute an indi EP report. His report is his report.

What are they saying is the problem with his report? That he has lied?

When is your final submission deadline? You might want to write a 'case statement' or 'parental summary' where you point out your 'case' that includes the fact that your views are based on written evidence (And referenced) and that the LA has none except for parent-slating for the purpose of bullying.

I think I know the Indpendent EP. Can't imagine he's too thrilled with the LA's letter. Did they send it to him directly?

claw2 Mon 22-Apr-13 16:01:30

Yes it is who you think it is. They are not saying that he has lied, its parental views they have a problem with so i have lied if the jest of it.

They have also copied in all other professionals involved, but didnt send me a copy of their letter.

They are basically saying he has citied other professionals (ie reports provided by them) but not contacted them directly. Suggesting that if he speaks to them directly they will tell a different story.

So for example i told EP that school and LA referred to social services as the photos were deemed inappropriate and he has written this. School wrote to me stating exactly that, we have made a referral as what can only be described as inappropriate photos of your son. LA and school had a recorded telephone convo which i have a copy of stating the reason for referral was inappropriate photos. I have a copy of the social services report which states school reported me for taking inappropriate photos.

They are saying this isnt the case and he should speak to them.

StarlightMcKenzie Mon 22-Apr-13 16:11:56

Why on earth would they request he withdraws his report that states parental views as parental views? confused

Unless they are simply worried that parental views have at last been properly recorded by someone competent.

StarlightMcKenzie Mon 22-Apr-13 16:14:26

'They are basically saying he has citied other professionals (ie reports provided by them) but not contacted them directly. Suggesting that if he speaks to them directly they will tell a different story'

Why would they 'tell' a different story to the one they have written? Why are they writing things that they don't believe? Honestly Claw, they are making a real pigs ear out of this.

Keep the letter. Write a response to it including how you came across it and who it went to, and then submit it directly to tribunal at the deadline. Have you sought your EP's advice as to what you should do about it?

StarlightMcKenzie Mon 22-Apr-13 16:15:57

It's easy to get cross and denfensive.

In reality it will make them look stupid. Just hold your fire. Park it for now and submit it for tribunal as an example of them not knowing their arses from their elbows and of their bullying behaviour.

claw2 Mon 22-Apr-13 16:31:58

EP said its entirely up to me, whether i choose to respond, but that he wont be, other than to say, exactly that, parental views are parental views.

I gave him my response to their letter and he said, if i wanted to just send them a copy.

I dont even have an appeal lodged, as they havent yet reached a decision as to whether to issue or not yet. But i think i can guess which way the decision is going!

So they seem to basing their complaint to EP on what school say and the social services bit above.

"although you refer to the work of other professionals in your report, you have not directly contacted them and this has lead to inaccurate reporting. I invite you to contact the professionals involved and provide an amended version of your report, based on accurate info. The accurate info might also affect the conclusions you have drawn"

StarlightMcKenzie Mon 22-Apr-13 16:36:56

So where the fuck is the accurate information that they refer to written down?

And why doesn't it appear in their current reports?

One option (not sure I'm advising this) is to request in writing the 'accurate information' they would have supplied to the EP had he contacted them directly and not relied on their reports.

I'm livid on your behalf but actually it just looks like a circus of nothing and I wouldn't get especially stressed out by it. It's almost laughable.

Hope Agnes or someone else comes by though. Think you could do with another perspective.

claw2 Mon 22-Apr-13 16:40:15

After i provided EP with my response, he said their letter smacks of arse covering.

Maybe i should just respond with a short if professionals involved wish to dispute what they have put to me into writing, i would be happy to hear from them type of thing.

StarlightMcKenzie Mon 22-Apr-13 17:44:58

He's a well-chosen EP Claw. Your LA might not know this but tribunal panels know and respect him. He won't be changing his report because a LA tell him to.

bjkmummy Mon 22-Apr-13 17:50:04

so they want your EP to change his views because his views dont match their views - but they then dont have to get their professionals to consult with your professional - they just want it all their own way. they know your report is damning so they are trying to backtrack. they have shot themselves here because a tribunal if it ends up there is going to see straight through it - it is bullying plain and simple. have a scream and shout and get it out of your system then think about how to respond if needed. i know its hard but try and take the upper stance here - dont react immeadiately as thats sort of what they want but take time to think how to deal with this.

claw2 Mon 22-Apr-13 18:04:39

Well i have only just been emailed a copy of the letter, it was sent 6 weeks ago! EP was on holiday and LA didnt copy me in!

I have just received an email from LA officer (copied in this time), after EP told her he would seek my views and get back to her, requesting EP views again, as she is know at the stage of deciding whether to issue a statement or not and this info would help shock

WTF do accuracy of parental views have to do with whether ds needs a statement or not! and why on earth is she responsible for issuing it or not (she is principal EP)

StarlightMcKenzie Mon 22-Apr-13 18:07:51

Sorry. I'm not clear.

EP said to LA, in response to daft request, that he would seek your views and get back?

LA have now asked you for your EP's 'getting back' response!?

Is that the stage you are at?

StarlightMcKenzie Mon 22-Apr-13 18:08:27

Why did the Indi EP send you the letter? How did he know you didn't have a copy?

claw2 Mon 22-Apr-13 18:12:58

Yep Starr, thats it.

The letter stated who it had been c.c. to at the bottom.

claw2 Mon 22-Apr-13 18:14:38

His getting back response will be parental views are exactly that, he has copied the letter to me and i may/may not choose to respond.

post Mon 22-Apr-13 18:21:43

He sounds great and level headed. Id be inclined to ignore them, i think, at least or the time being.
Also, Can I pm you and ask who your EP is? We're heading towards tribunal again, I fear, and I don't think we took the best advice last time.

inappropriatelyemployed Mon 22-Apr-13 18:21:58

I would leave them to it. What a nonsense. Let them decide whether to issue or not on the evidence. If they don't like the evidence you have served, they can ignore it, refuse to issue a statement and the matter can be discussed further at Tribunal.

They have tried to see there is any mileage in getting the EP to change his views by telling him he has been misinformed. He has told them to get lost.

I think if you are going to write, just tell them your EP has responded but that you find their actions not within the spirit of parent partnership demanded by the SEN COP!!

StarlightMcKenzie Mon 22-Apr-13 18:24:10

Just say you've forwarded her request to your EP and leave it at that. It's dignified and refuses to be baited to engage in a daft debate, which as far as I can see is the only reason for her email.

He'll respond appropriately and you can still deal with the other stuff after you have thought about it a bit more.

StarlightMcKenzie Mon 22-Apr-13 18:28:18

xpost w post and inappropriately

If you engage and go around in circles, this will become cloudy. As it stands, the tribunal will be clear. You can point it out in a case statement or to a tribunal, but probably that is the extent that you need to engage with this drivel.

claw2 Mon 22-Apr-13 18:41:09

Seems they are basing their decision on whether to issue a statement or not on his response, not ds's needs!

My response is written anyhow, as i responded to the EP, just a question of literally c&p'ing. Their decision is due very soon, i can hang on for now.

StarlightMcKenzie Mon 22-Apr-13 18:50:01

No they're not. They are pretending to in order to put extra stress on you and your performance. Their decision will be political/tactical I imagine, though you're right that it won't be about ds' needs.

claw2 Mon 22-Apr-13 18:54:03

Its just so frustrating that they are totally missing the point, regardless of whatever was or was not in place for ds, or he says, she says, blah, blah, blah, it didnt work!

StarlightMcKenzie Mon 22-Apr-13 18:57:00

They're not missing the point, they're playing games. Refuse to be their plaything. Stay straight, dignified and don't rise to their bait. You must be bloody good at this by now wink

inappropriatelyemployed Mon 22-Apr-13 19:02:58

Totally agree with Star. This is the dirty action of a desperate LA. Ignore

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