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So why do you think your dd has autism? Sick of justifying...

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greener2 Sun 03-Feb-13 20:15:01

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lorisparkle Sun 03-Feb-13 20:34:15

I sometimes think people say things without realising how patronising, annoying or insulting they are being. Ds1 has a speech disorder and reading difficulties - possibly dyslexia. I get comments like 'my DC speaks so well because we speak to her all the time' or 'I think my DC reads so well as we have read to him everynight since he was little ' I feel like saying 'I had been feeling guilty about what I must have done wrong to cause his SN and now you've confirmed it - I never speak to him or read to him' it is so upsetting.

DontEvenThinkAboutIt Sun 03-Feb-13 20:34:48

Are you getting a proper diagnoses? Once you do then you won't have to justify anything.

lorisparkle Sun 03-Feb-13 20:38:53

I sometimes think people say things without realising how patronising, annoying or insulting they are being. Ds1 has a speech disorder and reading difficulties - possibly dyslexia. I get comments like 'my DC speaks so well because we speak to her all the time' or 'I think my DC reads so well as we have read to him everynight since he was little ' I feel like saying 'I had been feeling guilty about what I must have done wrong to cause his SN and now you've confirmed it - I never speak to him or read to him' it is so upsetting.

FightingForSurvival Sun 03-Feb-13 20:39:14

Yep. Diagnosis. Just got ours. Yes I am upset. But I've slept better last two nights than I have for two years.

lorisparkle Sun 03-Feb-13 20:40:06

Sorry don't know how that happened!

greener2 Sun 03-Feb-13 20:40:16

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greener2 Sun 03-Feb-13 20:42:14

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FightingForSurvival Sun 03-Feb-13 20:51:12

Tbh now that we have diagnosis I am not planning on discussing too much as I know people will still make twattish comments. My mum's a nightmare,even though she is trying. She said to me oh it's a wide spectrum, not like if he had Down's syndrome where they all have the same problems. Err no mum they don't actually. Or my concerns about whether he should go to special school. She said oh don't worry he

FightingForSurvival Sun 03-Feb-13 20:53:02

... Wouldn't be with children worse, they will segregate them shock. Have to point out she is in her mid 70s and not deliberately ignorant, but even so, my god it's tough.

WarmAndFuzzy Sun 03-Feb-13 21:04:07

Yup, I so recognise the comments - we were told that we obviously didn't talk enough to our boys, maybe we should try to spend some time doing so (Doh! how could we not have thought of that before!). Some implications were made about possible child neglect by one of their reception teachers (we moved him to another school not long after). And we've been told we don't discipline them firmly enough/are too tough with them (delete according to preferred discipline methods).

Problem is that even after they were both given an ASD diagnosis some people (Cough DM) still won't believe it! At least the teachers can't get away with accusing us of neglect now, and are a lot more understanding.

ArthurPewty Sun 03-Feb-13 21:22:42

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PolterGoose Sun 03-Feb-13 21:43:13

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lisad123everybodydancenow Sun 03-Feb-13 23:25:32

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Dinkysmummy Sun 03-Feb-13 23:40:58

Ok read the whole of this because the first bit is going to sound horrible...

My friend has a DS one year older than my dd. she was going though the diagnosis process with him. I tried to be supportive but was one of those that said "my dd is the same". Well, we dont really talk (if ever) anymore.
However now I know why i said that.. My dd is going to be assessed by CAMHS and so many are convinced she is on the spectrum. I feel so bad for saying my dd is the same (even though it was true), because that didn't help her at the time.

ArthurPewty Mon 04-Feb-13 07:38:37

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signandsmile Mon 04-Feb-13 07:45:05

this has just reminded me, funny how you block things out isnt it...

stupidest comment came not from family but from a 'friend' (family have been great, if a bit slow to process/accept/understand at the begining)

ex colleague, (who managed a SW team working with foster care for children with disabilities) when told ds had speech delay and possible LD, said, it was surprising as he had two educated articulate parents.....

shock angry shock angry,

ArthurPewty Mon 04-Feb-13 10:49:15

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blackeyedsusan Mon 04-Feb-13 10:52:19

limbo land is hard. it seems to take forever. lots of people are insensitive and try to reassure you with something trite... and fail miserably..

I hate the you ought to do....

porridgeLover Mon 04-Feb-13 11:25:11

greener, I know what you mean about the 'is the way dd is even i wonder if she is autistic as it is so complicated'.
My DS has a diagnosis, but I am worried that DD1 is also on the spectrum. Like a lot of girls, she 'hides' it extremely well. I have brought her to SaLT and for Psych observation but neither saw anything not even the failure to produce imaginative play as she sat with the dolls' house and furniture? hmm angry

I swing between feeling like a twitty fussy mum when I speak to school (although the Principal has been supportive enough) and feeling strong (because I did all this 'disbelief' and 'its all in your head' with DS).

The worst for me was when I plucked up the courage to tell my sister about DS; her remark was 'but he's fine isn't he?' and proceeded to ignore his needs entirely while we visited for a week. <stress heart attack emoticon>

DontEvenThinkAboutIt Mon 04-Feb-13 11:58:55

I would hope I would never make an insensitive comment about someone's DC but I can understand how someone may make a upsetting comment unintentionally. My NT DS's have many characteristics that overlap with autism. One barely spoke at school until he was 6 or 7 and has never ever done imaginary play. In fact he barely did toys at all. confused So, I could imagine, if I wasn't thinking and I hadn't been educated by MN smile that I could say something unhelpful. It doesn't make it OK but I can see how it happens.

JeffFaFa Mon 04-Feb-13 12:07:36

I dont know if ds1 is asd probably not but he has traits and other issues definatly going on and nobody sees them but me, some people have started to say 'well yes x behaviour is a bit odd but....' and if you done such and such... or such and such....' then i think all would be fine. I doubt myself if there anything wrong i write everything down i analyze every thing he does but without any dx im stuck, i feel like being around NT children ds stands out but dont 'qualify' to do anything SN with him. I wonder why as as toddler he didnt point and wave and only lined up his toys or dismantled them into heaps, why was he still having occasional accidents until age 6, why did he INSIST on the same routine every day and have massive meltdowns if we didnt go along with it. I wonder why he developed tic like habits, why does he walk awkwardly on his toes and flap his hands, why does he only have an interest in dr who and toy cars, why does he want to watch the same episodes every day, why cant he sit still or walk why hop, skip and jump everywhere, touching everything in his path, why cant he ride a bike or run fast or be less clumsy but he can hop on one foot, jump and skip, why does he eat with his hands but have neat handwriting, why does he get upset in the rain if it goes in his face but like the feel on his head why get upset in the sun its too bright but like the feel on his skin, why does he get in everyones face and rub up against them, why dosnt he care about the feelings of others and when he does its pretend he only cares how reactions make HIM feel.....

but then hes 'normal' right he keeps good eye contact, he loves people and craves friends happily speak to anyone, why wont these people mantain a friendship with him though? why do they push him about but he still wants to be their friend? hes happy to play with others toys anywhere and with them he wants toys but if they are his at home then only dr who and cars will be entertained, his tic like habits arnt always there they come and go im sure he 'saves' them for home. He might be fine in the rain one day but not the next its not consistent at all. He lies pointless lies hes not very good at it but he does it. He may watch dr who ALLLL the time (daily for 3 years and counting) but he dosnt retain info from it infact he knows hardly anything about it so not aspergers like hes not a little professor or even all that intelligent even conversations are hard his lack of understanding is astounding why does nobody else see this?? hes almost 7 unable to read except for his reading book at school 2 lines to a page which im sure he memorises but he clearly manages fine in school for nothing to be flagged up, so whats the problem right? he plays now hes didnt as a toddler but he will sit with his dr who figures now and play, his imagination must be good because hes always seeing things in objects, he makes his sandwich into a bowtie, he pretends objects are other objects, he sees faces in his soup and his ice cream choc sauce looks like a spider.....

Limbo land is right here.

Miggsie Mon 04-Feb-13 12:08:59

People don't deal with disability or illness very well.

ASD is massively misunderstood...I've done a lot of reading due to having 2 friends with ASD children.

I'm a disabled adult and people still treat me as if I'm "making it up" my diability is joint based, so you can't see it. I get a lot of "you don't look disabled" - like I should have open sores and a begging bowl!!!!

With ASD children the differences are small to begin with, then become apparent later. If you feel there is something up, press for more diagnosis. Don't mention it to people who are acting like gits - that won't help you.

Other parents with ASD will understand.

I have also researched the effects of having diabled children on parents - it is massively distressing, especially when other family members go into denial. They would rather call you a liar than deal with reality, well fine, point that out to them and cease to raise the topic with them.

stickyg Mon 04-Feb-13 16:07:07

I hear you ladies ! My 4 yr old has been referred for a diagnosis, i first noticed something was wrong when she was 18 months and my inlaws just refuse to believe that she has autism, sometimes i end up doubting myself because of them ! It does my head in, i just dont bother telling them anything anymore, they love it when i say something positive about her but if a negative gets mentioned they dont want to know. Im sure they think im making it all up.

My daughter attends a communication unit pre school and will be going to a mainstream school where they have around 5 asd kids in each class therefore they have loads of help and support. The proffesionals say she wont cope in her local mainstream, but still, there's nothing much wrong with her !!! Argh i could scream sometime.

Its like autism is a stigma to them. I mean bloody hell, autism isnt ideal but you need to face up to it , deal with it, cope because you have to and make sure your child gets all the help and support they need.

Christ, sorry i went on a mini rant !

FightingForSurvival Mon 04-Feb-13 16:22:29

Miggsie that is so true. The differences are small at the beginning. ASD kind of creeps up on you. My son's speech was delayed but it was only really once his speech kicked in that his autism was more apparent to me. Though, looking back, the signs were there all along. I think some of my family members feel embarrassed now but to be fair, I was in denial with the best of 'em!

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