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SEN funding changes 2013 - will ms schools want DC with SEN?

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HotheadPaisan Sun 18-Nov-12 13:22:53

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creamteas Sun 18-Nov-12 13:34:02

I'm not sure many want them now grin.

I guess, the impact of the changes to funding will partly depend on what they receive at the moment, and how they are abusing it. For example, the TA support often seems to be used for general classroom stuff rather than being targeted at SEN DC.

HotheadPaisan Sun 18-Nov-12 13:38:26

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HotheadPaisan Sun 18-Nov-12 13:40:17

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messmonster Sun 18-Nov-12 22:55:06

I started a thread about this a little while ago because the MS school I'm talking to about my DD raised it with me and said they were very concerned here

My concern is that small rural schools (like the one we are looking at) are going to lose out in the allocation of budget because they won't score highly in the deprivation and high incidence/low level SENs formula criteria so, on the face of it, will have less budget to play with and have to fund more.

In my LEA, schools have only been expected to fund the first 5 hours on a Statement so this is a big change for them. The school I'm talking to tell me that all their SEN budget is already allocated to the SENCO and other SEN teachers (all part-time) who are already supporting children within the school.

My concern is that this may give schools the option to say that accepting a high needs pupil will be detrimental to other children in the school because it will divert resource away from them - again, something already alluded to in my discussions.

My LA tell me that the schools in our area will be getting more SEN budget so there will be nil financial impact on the school but that's not the impression school are giving me (and up to this point, school were telling me they positively wanted my DD to attend and I believe they were genuine).

Am sad and confused

AgnesDiPesto Sun 18-Nov-12 23:45:14

Locally you will have a schools forum and there should be minutes discussing this. This can give you insight into what schools are saying (your HT should be able to access minutes) - there will be winners and losers among schools. And yes you are right some schools may not get enough funding to cover £6000 for every child and could say they can't meet need.

Not all money is to be delegated - only £6000 which is about 12 hours 1:1. In my LA they delegate 20 hours and are being asked to take this money back off schools, who have been used to having it.

Parent's rights have not changed and if you have a statement you can still name the mainstream school you want. Schools should not be raising this with individual parents.

For me this is a sore point as we wanted specialist and were forced into mainstream because all the m/s schools said they could meet DS statement when they couldn't. I agree there are children who can be supported in mainstream and the funding should work / follow the child. But equally many schools have taken children whose needs they had no hope of meeting and pocketed the sen money and not stood up to the LA / supported parents wish for SS. In some areas like mine it has become ridiculous with children with very very severe needs being placed in mainstream against parental wishes and any common sense. Schools have sided with the LA and taken children they shouldn't and this is now coming home to roost. And you are right those schools who were happy to let children rot in mainstream and spend their statement money on playground equipment will be the first now to turn them away.

Some LAs have had a top up model for a while where schools already fund the first 15-20 hours and the LA just tops up the extra so the impact varies from area to area.

its going to make a massive change here - the SEN Director has done a report to the Council Exec on it so its worth trawling your council website for minutes there too to see if the LA has done its own report. Local parent forum also got the Director to come and talk to parents and there is to be a series of meetings to explain it so you could ask a local parent forum or campaign group to do the same. Our LA internal report shows the current and projected budget for each school so there will be data showing how each school will be affected.

Its going to be a mess because some schools are going to see their budget go down a lot especially if they have a reputation for being good for sen and attracted children from a wide catchment. Big schools with lots of children on statements in affluent areas are going to be hit hard.

There are also children on dual placements or like mine who has education otherwise than in school (ABA) but attends mainstream part-time with ABA 1:1- so does the school have to pay the first £6k of DS statement even though they provide no staffing for him? At the moment DS does not cost school a penny.

My LA has told the government they will not implement for mainstream until 2014 - the response was its strong guidance not law, so you may find LAs dream up their own solution - mine is talking about banding for children on 12-20 hours because they refuse to write statements for these children again as that would mean children having more legal protections than they would have now on action plus. They said this was such a huge number of children they could not possibly go back to writing statements - but when I asked them how many children got between 12 and 20 hours the LA didn't even know!

devientenigma Mon 19-Nov-12 08:24:35

so can someone tell me what it means in lay mans terms for us? statemented secondary age school refuser, SLD, special school criteria, home tuition provided by the LA.

AgnesDiPesto Mon 19-Nov-12 20:18:28

Nothing as you get (allegedly) education otherwise than at school which will still be funded direct by LA - unless on school roll still in which case perhaps the LA will make the school pay the first £6k

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