Can anyone explain this - OT Sensory diet and sleep issues

[Dev9aug]

We have been seeing a cranial osteopath for a number of weeks for ds1 for sleep related issues and it has helped a lot. He was also seen by the OT round about the same time and was prescribed at least 2x30 min sessions of OT every day to help develop his vestibular skills.

We have noticed that on days we had to lay the sensory diet off because he has had an adjustment with the osteopath, he sleeps better. On days when he had his sensory diet, his sleep is very poor, waking up in the middle of night and taking ages to fall asleep again. He needs the adjustments and he also needs the sensory diet so we are kind of flummoxed really.

Has anyone got experience of this and explain why this happens. how did you resolve it in the end if you did? TIA

[Mopandbucket]

Sounds like the effects of the vestibular work the ot is doing; it's arousing and possibly his system is still stimulated by it? Could you add more proprioceptive input after to temper it? Tell your OT as they can adjust programme

[SallyBear]

Hi Dev, can you lay off the sensory diet for a week or two? Just to see if having a week of good sleep helps improve his general behaviour. I do think that sleep has a lot to do with everything. DS4 is much better behaved now he is sleeping through the night. We don't do a sensory diet, mainly because his diet is as balanced as I can make it with the limited amount of food that he eats.

Have you moved chiropractors nearer to home now? Is it still continuing to be effective?

[Dev9aug]

Thanks mopandbucket just spoke to the OT and she has suggested some activities like pressing on his muscles/joints etc to calm him, is there anything else we can do?

Sallybear we have now moved chiropractors closer to home now, she is very good and it was getting too stressful to travel there every week. His treatment was finished anyway, now it is just maintenance. I was talking about sensory diet in the sense that he needs an hour a day doing activities to improve his vestibular system. I am not sure why they call it a sensory diet when it has nothing to do with food. His diet is also very limited but quite good.

[madwomanintheattic]

Weighted blanket?

[madwomanintheattic]

I also wonder if it is the adjustments themselves that are improving sleep? Rather than excluding the sensory stuff? Could be a combination of both. I know dd2 always slept like a log on the days she had cranio. Like a log.

[Dev9aug]

madwoman we have got a weighted blanket, he won't go near one. On fact, at night he has a jumper and heater on in the room as he won't tolerate blankets. I will try that again.

The adjustments do make a difference, he definitely sleeps better for couple of days after, but then we start soft play/swings and his sleep goes to pot.

[Mopandbucket]

It's the swings, I think. Maybe he needs to build up to that level of vestibular input. I would think (and obviously I don't know your dc) that if he is sensitive to vestibular stuff it should be combined with heavy, muscle work. How about trampolining as you get both proprioceptive and vestibular input? Play in the park is good, climbing, jumping etc. if you do swings, do it earlier in day and follow with 'heavy' work .
Re weighted blanket, deep pressure good but also active muscle work, as your OT suggests.
It's called a sensory diet because the principle is the same; the balance of sensory inputs should be just right to keep you healthy (as in a well balanced diet).

[Mopandbucket]

Also, read 'out of sync child' - very approachable and easy to understand concepts of sensory processing

[SallyBear]

dev9aug
I am off to google out of sync child and OT sensory diet. We have OT's at DS's Special School so I will ask them what a Sensory Diet is and would it benefit him in the long run. You see, you're never too long in the tooth to learn

[shazian]

Dev9 how about a weighted vest, my ds age 11 has sensory issues as well as sleep issues. Right now he is in hospital for various problems, mostly sensory related, he is there for 12 weeks to be reassessed. They have had great results from the sensory vest which he wears for up to 40 mins at a time 3/4 times per day, they say he is a lot calmer, more relaxed and in general a lot happier. Obviously not all from the vest however is working along with other input. His sleeping was terrible some nights only 2 hours at most, he is now sleeping most nights from 9/10 through to 7am... unheard of. However he is now on melatonin and clonidine (this helps with ADHD and sleep issues)

[Dev9aug]

sallybear

Thanks shazian I will have a look at the weighted vest. DS1 had a assessment by an OT last month for which we only had the report yesterday and the program starts next week so we will see how it goes before investing in one as we probably wont get one through NHS.

I have read about your DS previously and felt very frustrated on your behalf, I can't imagine how you must be feeling back then. I am glad to hear that he is doing well.

[Dev9aug]

sally I should add that DS was seen by NHS OT few months ago and on advice from silverfrog I took him for an OT assessment at Starjumpz,(do you remember hazeyjanes thread where she first mentioned hopscotch) the difference in the assessment and recommendations between both couldn't have been greater. I don't know the staff at your Ds school so don't know what they are like, but for us paying for an assessment has def been worth it.

[SallyBear]

Thank you Dev. I'm FB friends with Hazeyjane so I will ask her about it.

[Dev9aug]

Sorry sally I meant silverfrog mentioned about hopscotch on Hazey's thread.

[hazeyjane]

Sally this was the thread.

[SallyBear]

Hazeyjane As soon as I started reading it, I remembered this thread. I also remember feeling very upset for you, and did again re reading it all.

[hazeyjane]

I'm glad I found this thread, as I had just assumed the sensory diet thing was food related too - and considering ds eats about 5 foods, mostly biscuit related, I didn't even bother finding out about it!

Sally, 'fortunately' the ot and physio haven't bothered to sort out ds's next appointment, and aren't returning my calls, so we haven't had any dealings at all - unfortunately, ds is desperate for his new piedro boots!

[SallyBear]

I gave up with Piedros as our Orthotic man was shite at fitting properly. We buy DS Kickers. I put the tray from Piedros into the kickers. I rang the Piedro suppliers and they sent me the trays foc.

[madwomanintheattic]

Heh heh. I was just about to post and say I've lost count of the number of times I've lost my rag completely and dragged the child to the store and bought kickers. . There's only so many times you can fall over in a day because your shoes are too small and you've got no new ones.

Up until three-ish, we had a fab indie shoe store that had a large range of European ankle boots (elefanten etc) which were just perfect, and without the x week wait. We always got Piedros as well, but it was nice to have a choice to try on! The store staff were great, too.

(We had beautiful boots. )

The flowery kickers were fantabulous, too.

[hazeyjane]

Do Kickers come in 3 HH size?? Ds has the smallest fattest feet I've ever seen!!

(sorry for going off on a Piedros tangent)

[madwomanintheattic]

Ah, that's reasonably common with poss genetic stuff, I think! Not sure tbh, but worth checking. We had the opposite problem - dd2's feet were really really narrow. Even as a schoolie, Clark's had nothing, so we had to buy everything from the indie. I have spent a bleeding fortune on shoes. And none of them for me.

See if you can find a good independent kids shoe store. We used to drive 45 minutes to one of ours (and then moved and there was one ten minutes away) but it is definitely worth it. Much more variety in size, especially width fittings, and a lot more choice of supportive boots for tinies.

[SallyBear]

Oh I'm not sure Hazeyjane! My kids have all got skinny feet. I have always been very tough about shoes that fit properly. Mine all had Startrite until DS4 came along....

Elefanten were great shoes, but I know that a few years ago they went out of business. I think that they may have started up again.

[SallyBear]

Official Piedro stockist here

[madwomanintheattic]

Oh, that's interesting. We've been in Canada for over three years, so I hadn't realized.