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Here are some suggested organisations that offer expert advice on SN.

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someoneoutthere Wed 26-Sep-12 07:19:17

DS (7, asd) is struggling with math concepts like greater, fewer. When we lay out objects, he can tell which objects are more or less, but he just can't transfer this to numbers. For example if there are 6 objects in front of him he can compare that to other same type of objects to say which pile of objects are more/less. But if asked, is 6 more than 3, he just does not get it. Please help, give me ideas as to how I can tackle this or point me towards any books that can help teaching math concepts.

Triggles Wed 26-Sep-12 07:29:36

Can you use flash cards with numbers on them in conjunction with the groups of objects to reinforce the actual numbers used?

For example, two piles of objects. Say 3 in one pile, 6 in another. Have him count the objects in each pile, and choose the cards with a "3" and "6" on them and put them in front of the piles. Then ask him with one is more or less/greater or fewer, so while he's going over the concept with you, he's got both the objects and the cards to look at and refer to.

exoticfruits Wed 26-Sep-12 07:31:27

Try ICT maths games click on more/less.

someoneoutthere Wed 26-Sep-12 07:43:25

Thank you Triggles and exoticfruits. Triggles, we are using what you have suggested, he is just not getting it yet, but we will be continuing with it as he is very visual.

exoticfruits, ds likes playing games, can't wait to get him to play these games when he is back from school today.

exoticfruits Wed 26-Sep-12 07:57:58

On the computer they just think it is fun! Good luck! In the future- if you just google the concept that you want it will come up with sites. this one is good.

schobe Wed 26-Sep-12 08:05:14

Use number lines as well as groups of objects. Number line round the walls, large number line chalked on ground outside or anywhere really. Play lots of games - stepping forward, stepping back. Be very very clear throughout that one way is getting BIGGER and the other way, SMALLER. Play with step sizes, even negatives etc. Must be fun though - google number line games (disclaimer - no time to look but there must be lots out there).

Am maths teacher/specialist - it's so important that they develop their concept of number both in terms of size of a group AND in positional sense.

schobe Wed 26-Sep-12 08:09:39

Ooh yes, and numicon. You can physically see that the 6 is bigger than the 3. In fact, you can see it is 3 bigger than 3 as two 3s fit on top of the 6. Sorry, rushing for school run!

CheeseToasty Wed 26-Sep-12 15:00:28

I was also going to recommend numicon. Recently my son school sent home an adapted (added question) snakes and ladders game to be played EVERY day. It really help him understand number value as he learnt the bigger numbers moveds him further and he also started predicting what number he needed to get to the ladders. It was so simple but effective.

zzzzz Wed 26-Sep-12 16:20:58

www.infomontessori.com/mathematics/introduction.htm

If you have an iPad, there are some apps that are good,

Montessorium do a good Maths app links rods with music in a very satisfactory way and highlights the different "size" of numbers.

There is also one called something like kangaroo Maths which links numbers to fingers/beads etc and is more competitive.

Pouring volumes of water into a measuring cylinder.

Number stairs and jump up for more down for less.

Practice practice practice.....it will come.

someoneoutthere Thu 27-Sep-12 04:21:47

Thank you everyone. I have got lots to work on, I suspect it does not help that math was one subject I hated at school, I can't help thinking I approach it with a bit of fear still.

Schobe, I have numicon starter kit, but we have not used it much. It has not come with much instructions or ideas, but I will have a search on the internet to see the types of games we can play. Great idea about playing games with numbers, I have not thought about that.

Cheesetoasty, we have snakes and ladder game for social skills and conversation games, but did not think about using it for math, we will be playing it this weekend with math in our mind!

zzzzz, thank you as always you are there to offer help and give me ideas about what to do when I am stuck. How is ds doing with home schooling? We have gone the other way and put him into full time mainstream. It has been three weeks now and he is coping well, but we have our ABA therapist working as 1:1 with him.

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