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help - mainstream school possibly refusing statemented child

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ArthurPewty Thu 06-Sep-12 18:31:23

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ArthurPewty Fri 14-Sep-12 17:03:44

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madwomanintheattic Fri 14-Sep-12 16:05:49

Okey doke.

I've always sent dd2 anyway. It's pretty clear cut that she needs support, so it tends to make people react faster to get it in place (at least as a tiny). But i can see that more subtle stuff might be problematic.

StarlightMcKenzie Fri 14-Sep-12 15:40:30


ArthurPewty Fri 14-Sep-12 15:37:48

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ArthurPewty Fri 14-Sep-12 15:36:12

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madwomanintheattic Fri 14-Sep-12 14:03:56

Leonine, they haven't said she can't start, though, have they?

Think of it as a transition meeting. Have you had a proper transition meeting between all the profs and the new setting?

StarlightMcKenzie Fri 14-Sep-12 13:05:52

Well your FEELING are getting in the way of your ability to deal with this. Your anxiety is causing you to phone people, catch people, email people and involve yet more people. I was the same once.

The best strategy is to let them tie themselves up without them being able to say any of the tangle was down to you.

You're somehow desperately trying to find a way for this all to be in place by monday. What possible interest does the LA or school have in this being so? Forget it and get over it. Focus on the deadline date and find a way to be okay with it. Being upset about it won't change the outcome but will prevent you from dealing effectively with the ultimate goal.

ArthurPewty Fri 14-Sep-12 12:45:40

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StarlightMcKenzie Fri 14-Sep-12 12:28:03

Fwiw, having a written record of LA and school going around seemingly in circles and confused will help any tribunal case hugely.

StarlightMcKenzie Fri 14-Sep-12 12:26:49

Leonie, you sound defeated, and it's completely unnecessary. Stay out of it. Stay away from it, tell the LA to just pull their finger out and get you the document. Whether they listen to school or not is up to them. Whether you subsequently appeal or not, is up to you. That shoukd be the first time you get back involved. The rest is just nonsense you shoukd ignore.

ArthurPewty Fri 14-Sep-12 12:16:59

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StarlightMcKenzie Fri 14-Sep-12 11:43:05

Write to the LA and tell them you don't think it is appropriate for you to be there WHEN they explain to the school that they have no say in how the statement is worded or how much SALT your dd gets. Tell them that you have no business telling the school how to do their job, nor shoukd you be expected to and it might jeapordise your future relationship with the school if they mistake the law for parental views.

ArthurPewty Fri 14-Sep-12 11:00:43

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mariamma Thu 13-Sep-12 22:06:29

Aargh. Wrong thread...

Sorry Leonie! Meant to say, who can you bring with you to the meeting? It may well be that this is the LEA's clumsy attempt to set up a triangular conflict between you, them and the school. Might they want to take advantage of any previous difficulties regarding dd1, or remind you of other difficult encounters? This is a guess, but i think it might be a correct one.

Quickest way out of mind games is not to play. And easiest way to do that is change as much of the encounter as possible yourself. People, setting, your mindset, what you wear. Bringing Starbucks for everyone to thank them for attending despite busy schedules is a very subtle way to take charge wink.

mariamma Thu 13-Sep-12 21:54:18

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ArthurPewty Thu 13-Sep-12 17:46:03

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ArthurPewty Tue 11-Sep-12 17:41:48

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Lougle Tue 11-Sep-12 17:20:54

I understand how frustrating it all is, and I wasn't trying to give you more stress. But a Governor should never 'investigate' for a parent. They should always refer the parent to the head, or the complaints procedure.

What they then do aside from the parent is of course, up to them. But Governors are not schools inspectors and the whole Governance relationship can be jeopardised if it is perceived that Governors are 'spying' on schools.

ArthurPewty Tue 11-Sep-12 16:36:18

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Ineedalife Tue 11-Sep-12 16:31:40

Am really glad that your Dd's place is secure leonie and fingers crossed you get the finalised statement this week.

ArthurPewty Tue 11-Sep-12 16:22:09

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madwomanintheattic Tue 11-Sep-12 14:24:01

(the govs aren't in any way responsibly for operational provision within the school, that is the ht remit)

madwomanintheattic Tue 11-Sep-12 14:23:16

The governors wouldn't get involved in anything to do with statementing, tbh, so that's a bit of a red herring.

The only role for the governors in this situation is as part of the complaints policy, (particularly against the ht) which is why I suggested their involvement earlier if you felt the ht was being deliberately obstructive and involved in stuff she wasn't supposed to be.

The governing body won't even know the names of statemented kids or what's in the statements unless there is a specific complaint (and then only two or three of the governors will know as part of the investigation, to keep the others 'clean' in case they are required to do anything else without previous knowledge).

Now that you know it is sorted, I would say thanks v much to gov friend, and then explain that there is no need for their involvement, as it is sorted.

To encourage the gov body to get involved now that it is a done deal will muddy the waters, and could potentially compromise any further issues you may or may not have in implementation of the statement.

Well done, though.

Roll on Monday, and bah to the silly LA woman who caused a completely unnecessary fuss about nothing.

ArthurPewty Tue 11-Sep-12 14:05:40

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appropriatelyemployed Tue 11-Sep-12 13:56:51

I had something similar with DS once his statement was proposed.

School, who had been denying any problem for years, suddenly said his problems were too great to deal with.

The LA were having none of it. But I have to say I wished I had moved then as I spent the next 6 months trying to work with school to achieve the support DS needed (and he funding they needed) to no avail. Ultimately, they could not be bothered with the hassle for one child.

Part 4 is left open for you to request the school. A head can comment on behakf of her Governing Body and most do.

A school can only refuse to take a child, under Schedule 27 (3) of the Education Act 1996:
(a) the school is unsuitable to the child's age, ability or aptitude or to
his special educational needs, or
(b) the attendance of the child at the school would be incompatible
with the provision of efficient education for the children with
whom he would be educated or the efficient use of resources

There is some IPSEA guidance here

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