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Advice needed for my meeting with SENCO and nursery tomorrow

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sleepyhorse Sun 16-Oct-11 22:01:51

Hi

Ds who is 3.4 yrs old currently attends a MS nursery 5 mornings a week. We suspect he has ASD - he is being assessed by a pediatrician but as of yet no diagnosis. Aside from his severe language delay he also has difficulties with his concentration and has a very short attention span so he will flip from one activity to the next without much focus on what he is actually playing with. He lacks imagination in his play and not really interacting with other kids. A couple of weeks ago a speech therapist went in to the nursery to observe him playing and then put a report together highlighting the above issues (a copy was sent to me and the nursery)

I have finally arranged a meeting for tomorrow for me and dh to go and meet with his nursery teacher and SENCO to discuss the recommendations made by the therapist in her report for the nursery to put into action. It has already been made clear that they are happy to spend a bit of 1-1 time with him but due to only having a few members of staff won't be able to give much more than that. Im presuming an IEP will be put into place. I really want to go into this meeting and try and make a difference for ds but Im racking my brains of what I can say. Any advice??

wasuup3000 Sun 16-Oct-11 22:14:03

Apply for a statement for him?

cat64 Sun 16-Oct-11 22:24:28

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sleepyhorse Sun 16-Oct-11 22:26:17

yes am in the process of doing that... also thinking of taking ds out of MS nursery 2 days a week to send him to Puzzles (an autistic nursery) that he is getting the best of both worlds

AgnesDiPesto Sun 16-Oct-11 22:30:55

The thing about young children with ASD is they typically cannot concentrate without support - which is why they need a high level / fulltime 1:1 to keep them engaged. That said DS had fulltime untrained 1:1 for a year and learnt nothing, so its also about having the right strategies and programmes in place (ours was left adrift by SALT and outreach).

All mainstream nurseries can get funding for 1:1 without needing a statement. The nursery should contact the area SENCO and ask what is available. My LA puts in 75% 1:1 as a maximum without a statement so DS got 10 out or 12.5 hours funded. If its a school they get the money delegated usually. If its a private or voluntary nursery they usually have to apply.

The most useful thing to get across is that he is not learning. He will not learn much from the environment/other children. There is this idea being in the room with mainstream peers will rub off. It rarely does. Your child might need skills other children just absorb to be directly taught. That takes time. And he is delayed so he needs more learning time than the others, not less.

The way I look at it is other children learn from the minute they get up in the morning until the minute they go to sleep. They learn by watching others and asking questions and demanding your attention constantly. Children with ASD often only learn when someone has got their attention and is directly teaching them. So the gap between the 12 hours the other kids are learning and the few minutes the nursery will give your child is already massive and the gap is widening every day.

So the best advice I can given you is to refuse to accept the notion they cannot fund 1:1. If they can't tell them to ask the LA who can. The other suggestion would be to get them to read a book eg Hanen "More than words" or one specifically geared at nursery children with ASD (there are loads of books written for nurseries). The SALT and outreach may be great, or they may be rubbish - the nursery cannot sit there and expect others to come along and tell them what to do they have to educate themselves what to do.

Your child is entitled to an appropriate education and the Local Authority / nursery have a duty to provide it.

You can also ask them to get an specialist early years / autism outreach teacher in to give advice.

You might also be able to get portage at home (specialist play worker).

You also want to set clear measureable targets eg if there is a language targets make it say within 3 months DS will be able to ...... Rather than something woolly.

And tell them to tempt him to use his words eg withholding his favourite toys on top shelves etc. www.teachmetotalk.com has ideas about helping with language.

And advise them if he is doing the same thing again and again or sat with the same toy - thats repetitive behaviours (stimming) and he needs to be interrupted and redirected or he will be even harder to engage

Good luck.

sleepyhorse Sun 16-Oct-11 22:31:50

cat64 - some good advice there...Im certainly going to mention if they can apply for additional funding so he can get some 1-1

the suggestions SALT has made is that the staff sit down with ds and try and add a bit more imagination in his play, doing activities that involves another child, turn taking etc etc

sleepyhorse Sun 16-Oct-11 22:44:25

Agnes - WOW that is hugely helpful, thank you! Im so glad that you just told me ds has a right to all this - am definately going to mention all this :-)

lisad123 Mon 17-Oct-11 00:03:25

Now if I'm right puzzle is in beds isn't it?? We sent dd2 to a place called TRACKS, which is very similar to puzzle, but based in herts. There arent many of these type of places in the UK, and I can honestly say they are wonderful!! My little girl has done so well in the year shes has been jn her special nursery and finally we have made the decision to move her to ms nursery. They were a wonderful support to her and us as well. To know you are leaving your child with people who really know what they are doing is a huge relief and blessing.
We are applying for statement with dd2 but even without that nursery have given her salt once a week and 1-1. Nurseries can apply for funding and legally they should provide enough support for your ds to allow him the same access ad others in the setting.

lisad123 Mon 17-Oct-11 00:04:40

Oh and if you can get on a Hanen more than words course they are wonderful!!

EllenJaneisnotmyname Mon 17-Oct-11 17:26:50

This is my chance to recommend the cheapest source for More than Words that I know, but always worth googling it. Winslow press

It was the single most useful thing I used when DS was young, 3 - 5 yo.

MangoMonster Mon 17-Oct-11 19:20:50

No advice, apart from write an agenda and stick to it. Good luck smile

MangoMonster Wed 19-Oct-11 19:23:42

Sleepyhorse, how did the meeting go?

sleepyhorse Wed 19-Oct-11 20:06:53

Well it went surprisingly quite well. They put an IEP in place and seemed really keen to help. The head nursery teacher went on a speech therapy course the other day too so that has given me faith they are taking it seriously. Ds is prob going to being doing 3 days there and 2 days at puzzle hopefully.

MangoMonster Wed 19-Oct-11 20:10:50

That's great news! Progress! smile how's the ABA search coming along? DS is really benefiting and it's only been 2 weeks.

sleepyhorse Wed 19-Oct-11 20:17:51

Oh that's so encouraging. You must be so pleased. I still haven't found a tutor! But I met Ruth the other day, the consultant...and she was fantastic. Hopefully I will find turor soon.

MangoMonster Wed 19-Oct-11 20:37:06

I know people say the tutor doesn't need any previous experience... I have 2, one does and tbh it's a god send.

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