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One Week in and Already problems with statement/1:1

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lois24 Wed 28-Sep-11 21:12:55


Just wondering if anyone can give me the benefit of their experiences to tell me if this is typical or not.

My daughter with ASD+ADHD (non verbal, very active, zero understanding of danger) has just started in reception. She has a statement for fulltime 1:1 incl lunch/break times. Her 1:1 has breaks at different times from the children so that she can get cover in the classroom and have her usual 1:1 at lunch and in the playground. As far as I knew this was all working well.

I found out at the weekend through her cousin who is in Y5 that this is not happening. He has seen her many times in the playground on her own without the 1:1. When I asked a couple of questions about how things are going the 1:1 has quite happily told me that she is helping with other children in reception and is not solely looking out for my daughter in the playground. Long story short I have questioned this and all at the school seem to be totally puzzled by my not being happy with this. Just wondered if anyone else has experience of this, am I being unreasonable in expecting her to have constant supervision (as per statement and transition meetings) or are they allowed to decide to go against statement if they judge it to be safe?

tryingtokeepintune Thu 29-Sep-11 00:15:02

Hi Lois24,

What exactly does your dd's statement say? Does it say that the ta is exclusively for your dd or words to that effect?

You are not unreasonable to expect that your dd should have constant supervision as she has a statement for fulltime1:1 including break/lunchtimes. Unfortunately, many schools and teachers tend to view the ta as a resource for the school, to make the teachers lives easier. I am very surprised that your school actually admitted to sharing your dd's ta.

You might want to write to the school and ask them to clarify the position so that you have written evidence in case you need it.

You might also like call a charity IPSEA or SOS!SEN to go over the wording with them.

glitch Thu 29-Sep-11 08:19:17

My DS has the same support and I'm quite happy for his LSA to be helping others out too.
She is there for him but he does need to have some independance and try to do things alone, especially socially, or he won't learn. His LSA is ready to be with him if he needs her anytime, just doesn't always follow him round continually.

Triggles Thu 29-Sep-11 08:25:35

DS2 has FT 1:1, including playground time. He has a TA that watches him specifically during playtime, sometimes standing back and keeping an eye on him and sometimes she gets some kind of game going with DS2 and some other children. We did pick up a child size high visibility vest (net material, with elastic sides, so very comfortable for DS2 to wear and play in outside) that we keep in DS2's backpack at school - they pop it in him when they go outside to play, so he is easy to spot by any staff on the playground. But he still has a 1:1 that is responsible for him during playtime. 

I would say that if he is not being watched specifically during playtime that it would be adviseable to contact the school and speak to them about it. 

What are the concerns regarding playtime for your child? For DS2, it is that he is impulsive - a runner with no sense of danger. He got out of the school playground on the 3rd day of school in reception so they watch him very closely now. he's also rather vulnerable in that he will happily do almost anything another child suggests to him, without realising it might be dangerous or hurt himself or someone else. He also has had some rather nasty head injuries falling in playground (coordination problems), and has asthma but does not understand or recognise symptoms or danger of them. So rather than simply watching the exits, he needs to be watched himself. 

Is she relatively safe in the playground that they feel that she can be monitored in general with all the children? Or are there specific concerns regarding the playground? I would say that needs to be looked at and discussed. 

lois24 Thu 29-Sep-11 14:16:08

Thanks for all of your responses. Triggles, she sounds very similar to your son bar the coordination problems. She did get out of the playground on 5th day in, (I only learnt this from her cousin), however, as another member of staff caught her immediately they don't see the problem. The 1:1 was with another child at the time. Problem for me is I feel it was mostly luck she was caught.

starfishmummy Thu 29-Sep-11 15:58:02

DS doesn't have a 1:1 but is at special school and other children in the class do. The usual practice there is that the 1:1 mostly works with their named child but not exclusively. The child will still get 1:1, but at times it will be from the class teacher or one of the other TAs instead of the 1:1.

She certainly shouldn't be left unsupervised to the extent that she can get out of the playground and I think that needs taking up with the school - to the governing body if necessary.

Triggles Thu 29-Sep-11 16:47:24

lois24 - DS2 got out of the playground before he had 1:1 or anything (last year in reception on 3rd day, he's in yr 1 now). The headteacher made sure the gate he got out of was locked during the school day starting the very next day.

SOTIRIA Sat 01-Oct-11 12:43:37

My son has a proposed statement and the school are already telling me that the 1:1 will not be exclusively for him. i am not happy with this and I wouldn't be happy with the 1:1 situation mentioned above. I don't know how I'm going to find out how much support they are providing. I intend to make it clear that I expect the support will be for my son individually or in small groups and not for general school help.

Triggles Sat 01-Oct-11 14:14:33

If they are being funded for a 1:1 situation, it needs to be a 1:1 situation, not a TA for the classroom. DS2's classroom has a class TA and his own TA. Completely separate. She does include other children sometimes, as obviously it aids in DS2's socialisation skills, but it's very clear she is there to support DS2.

lois24 Sat 01-Oct-11 21:05:21

Thanks everyone for your replies. I'm waiting now for a meeting to be set up. I'm not sure how this will go because they seem to think its completely unreasonable that I expect her to be watched the whole time in the playground even though its in the statement. I also posted this under special needs education and most people there seemed to agree with them I think. Its so difficult when its their safety at risk, hopefully they will be able to reassure me.

Triggles Sat 01-Oct-11 21:28:24

It's not unreasonable. DS2 is watched the whole time in the playground. We provided the net high vis vest simply to make it easier, so that the TA doesn't necessarily have to be right on top of him, and if he bolts, he is easy to spot in a sea of uniforms. But yes, he is watched the whole time in the playground, at lunch, and in class. It's for his safety.

Marne Sat 01-Oct-11 21:39:08

My dd2 has 1:1 support but often the TA watches from a distance, luckily dd2 has a following of older chilfren who tend to look after her. If her statement states full time 1:1 then thats what she should be having but the school does have 8 weeks to meet all the needs on the statement (from the day she started school) but if she's at risk she should have someone with her and there should be no gates left open (should be locked).

lois24 Sat 01-Oct-11 22:04:16

Thanks again, it makes me feel better that there are children who get this support, and gives me a bit more confidence going into the meetingsmile Good idea with the high visibility vest too. I'm going to consider this and bring it up as a suggestion to them.

Triggles Sun 02-Oct-11 07:55:30

lois - it works great. He has a high vis rain jacket for wet/cooler weather, and the net high vis vest. We bought the vest at Wilkinsons for about 80p (so we have a spare at home in case the school one gets lost or damaged), and it stays in his backpack at school so that they can pop it on him before they go out for recess. The TA says it makes it sooo much easier to spot him if he runs off across the playground (since they all blend in with their uniforms) and he can EASILY be spotted from across the playground (ok, that's OUR observation, as we've seen him wearing it out on the playground grin). It doesn't seem to bother him at all to wear it, and as far as I know none of the other children seem to notice or care that he's wearing it. It's net, and quite thin, just very bright! grin

We bought the vest at the end of last winter, so we'll see how it fits over his heavier jackets. If it doesn't, we'll just pick one up slightly larger to use over the winter.

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