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Oxytocin and ASD

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StarlightMcKenzie Tue 13-Sep-11 01:19:25

Some of you know that I have a bee in my bonnet about this, and believe that my ds and me, being denied oxytocin through a mismanaged birth, triggered his autism.

www.wjh.harvard.edu/~zaki/bartzEtAl_2011_revOXT.pdf

The above was published in July 11.

StarlightMcKenzie Tue 13-Sep-11 01:24:32

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18655901

StarlightMcKenzie Tue 13-Sep-11 01:31:57

www.pnas.org/content/107/9/4389.short

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajmg.b.31032/full

www.nature.com/mp/journal/v13/n10/abs/4002087a.html?free=2

dolfrog Tue 13-Sep-11 04:38:01

StarlightMcKenzie

have a look at Oxytocin Human Health Effects

This could be my last post on Mumsnet, the adverts make the site take to long to load, and i have better things to do with my time.

dolfrog Tue 13-Sep-11 04:44:11

StarlightMcKenzie

have a look at Oxytocin Human Health Effects

This could be my last post on Mumsnet, the adverts make the site take to long to load, and i have better things to do with my time.

Ben10WasTheSpawnNowWeLoveLego Tue 13-Sep-11 06:53:40

Dolfrog Apparently you can put an adblocker on so you don't see them. I that Firefox definitely has one but if you google you will probably find that your browser has one.

StarlightMcKenzie Tue 13-Sep-11 08:10:39

Thanks Dolfog!

Anyway, - the point of posting this now was that some recent studies have found dates (that you eat) to contain oxytocin. 5/6 a day are enough to bring forward spontaneous, and if eaten after birth, help the womb contract down fast and reduce the likliness of post partum haemorage.

I cannot find any studies (unsurprising) that suggests that eating dates increases the social skills/social memory of those with autism, but I have found studies that suggest that overall, the stress in our lives, plus interferred-with food and diet mean that oxytocin levels are lower than they were in the population.

I also know that if you are stressed/depressed/frightened in pregnancy, and certainly during labour, you are likely to produce much less oxytocin in relation to adrenaline.

AlysWho Tue 13-Sep-11 08:39:31

Dolfrog dont go! You are an absolute goldmine of information, and internet links to research papers etc etc..
I havent noticed the ads. But then I do live in a world of my own sometimes!! x

Chundle Tue 13-Sep-11 09:37:02

Dolfrog dont go! I use my iPod to access which uses safari so I don't get the ads may be worth trying safari or firefox

ArthurPewty Tue 13-Sep-11 10:37:29

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StarlightMcKenzie Tue 13-Sep-11 12:06:48

Leonie, I don't think the hormonal state of the mother CAUSES autism, but I do believe that it might contribute to the environmental factors that trigger it in someone with a genetic predisposition iyswim.

Anyway. I'm gonna try some dates. Can't do any harm as dates have fab stuff in them regardless.

PipinJo Tue 13-Sep-11 13:03:17

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StarlightMcKenzie Tue 13-Sep-11 13:16:44

Not sure what SBC is saying. He got some adolecents to sniff oxytocin and it improved their empathy etc.

I think he acknowleges the role of oxytocin, but not the cause of the deficit.

I cannot imagine anyone funding research that will mean a requirement of heavy investment in maternity services and a substantial pot of neglegence claims against the NHS for sub-standard maternity care.

It is widely accepted that children with autism are more likely to have had a difficult or traumatic birth, but the popular belief is that the autism CAUSED the difficult birth, rather than the way the woman was treated caused the autism iyswim.

StarlightMcKenzie Tue 13-Sep-11 13:17:48

And no, I'm not having a baby.

I'm about to qualify as an atenatal teacher with a specialism in attachment parenting.

Bet that surprised a few of you grin!

Ben10WasTheSpawnNowWeLoveLego Tue 13-Sep-11 15:55:05

grin I did think that you might have mentioned it grin

StarlightMcKenzie Tue 13-Sep-11 17:02:30

smile

ArthurPewty Tue 13-Sep-11 18:14:21

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StarlightMcKenzie Tue 13-Sep-11 18:24:57

It's a funny ole one, because controlled crying uses ABA methodology but I can think of nothing crueler.

But I suppose that is because I have researched the science behind controlled crying, just as I have for ABA 3-5yr olds.

dolfrog Tue 13-Sep-11 21:57:13

StarlightMcKenzie

No advert delays to day lol

I have added the research papers you listed at the top of this thread to the CiteULike Autism research paper sharing library. I also found a few more and they are all listed on Autism - with tag oxytocin
And i also came across Preference for Geometric Patterns Early in Life as a Risk Factor for Autism which you may find interesting

PipinJo Tue 13-Sep-11 22:04:29

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StarlightMcKenzie Wed 14-Sep-11 10:31:46

Thanks Pipin. In truth I don't get time to do it. I am worryingly behind where I should be and it is an added stress, BUT, it is not SN. We all need something to do that is not SN.

However, I do believe that many of the SNs that are caused or triggered by traumatic births could be reduced with more confidence in a mother's ability to birth her own baby and instinctively ask for help, rather than be treated like a child and have someone 'deliver' a baby.

Post is delivered. Babies are birthed.

My biggest inspiration is the rural Mexican mother who performed a c/section on herself when she realised the baby was in trouble. I mean you'd have to KNOW with absolute certainty to do something like that. And yet, in this country womens wishes, fears are ignored and she is treated like an out of control child who doesn't know what is best for her.

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