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has the lea lied to you /

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hannahsmummsy Fri 19-Aug-11 21:50:34

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hannahsmummsy Fri 19-Aug-11 21:52:29

am I imaginging things or does the senco/lea/school lie to pther parents or have i finaly lost the plot

greatescape Fri 19-Aug-11 21:55:02

I have been lied to by all of those on a regular basis.

appropriatelytrained Fri 19-Aug-11 22:07:17

Lie? That seems a dainty little word to describe the gross untruths and stealthy subterfuge that I have been subject to.

Shocking beyond measure - lies told by school and LA. And dirty tactics that make me seem like a loopy conspiracy theorist.

I still can't believe it happened to me! And every time I dig deeper, it gets worse, and nastier and dirtier. Even to the solicitors I have instructed.

So, no, I'm sure you are not going mad.

hannahsmummsy Fri 19-Aug-11 22:08:42

as some one else on here lies and more lies all about a child

Lougle Fri 19-Aug-11 22:25:41

No. I don't believe they have deliberately lied. I do think they have 'party lines' and that often LA employees accept the party line and then it gets passed down through the staff in a 'chinese whispers' fashion, leading to something quite different from the truth.

A Concrete example from my child:

"All children can cope at mainstream" - Original message would have been 'The vast majority of children can be educated at mainstream school with sufficient adaptations'

I cannot, and will not believe that people enter these jobs to be deliberately obstructive to parents of children with SN.

I do believe that the system causes these people to give less time than is needed to each case, and that they rationalise the support that children are given.

I also believe that parents are given a message that 'support'=1:1. Sometimes 1:1 is a lazy solution, and a child would be better served with less 1:1 but more targeted, individualised support strategies.

hannahsmummsy Fri 19-Aug-11 22:38:11

your right lougle , there are some good ones out there but polices can stand in the way . the last thing my dd needs is 1 to 1 , she is too reliant on adults and needs to learn concidence , self help and social skills none of which are easy in mainstream

appropriatelytrained Fri 19-Aug-11 23:06:17

In my case, I have been deliberately lied to, documents have been falsified and history re-written e.g. to pretend my son has had a year of S&LT when he was not seen until three months ago or to tell the LGO my son's provision was now all in place by producing a timetable when he didn't even start his keyboard skill sessions (which were supposed to be daily) until SIX months after the issue of his statement. I could go on.

So I am afraid that some of these 'professionals' do deliberately lie. However, they ended up there, some of them do, largely to cover their own backsides. They're not all misguided, well-meaning but stressed.

hannahsmummsy Fri 19-Aug-11 23:10:23

my daugters senco lied, on dds sa forms about my contact forms i asked her to prove it she of course couldent , shes now retiring , my dd has been on sa+ since 2008 no IEP no care plan is that wrong ??

streakybacon Sat 20-Aug-11 09:07:42

A combination of reasons for us - LEA policies blocking access but also countless lies to cover employees' backs and give the impression of adequate support without actually giving any. Plus avoidance and neglect, and sparsely written reports that didn't reflect the everyday concerns that were coming up in discussion.

I home educate now so nobody lies to me any more on a day to day basis, but I anticipate they will come back to bite me on the bum soon because I need to apply for exam access arrangements and 'evidence' will be the LEA's word against mine. Their view is that if it ain't on paper, it didn't happen angry.

appropriatelytrained Sat 20-Aug-11 10:28:04

Streaky, our LA's view is if you then start to put things down on paper (giving them no wriggle lie room, you are vexatious and will be banned from corresponding with them! Heh, but it's all about the children!

I'm HE from the start of the new term until we can move elsewhere and hopefully find a more professional body of people to deal with. How have you found it? Do you follow a curriculum/timetable?

streakybacon Sun 21-Aug-11 08:08:40

I remember your 'vexatiousness', appropriately. How dare you correspond!

Home Ed is fab - but I appreciate that I'm saying that as a mother of one child. I know how much harder it can be with a bigger family. Also it's not perfect - we have encountered problems just as we did in school - but they're easier to resolve when you can go your own way and not have to justify your choices to a higher authority. If a situation isn't right, you can just move on.

I do whatever I feel ds needs and since starting HE nearly three years ago, I've considerably reduced his academic curriculum in favour of more work on developing his personal skills, AS/ADHD awareness, independence etc. He has LOTS of socialising/leisure time as I feel that's important. IMO, it's no good being brilliant academically if you lack the skills to interact in society, so that's what I work on as a main priority. Once he's got all that going (and he's making astonishing progress in that direction), the book-learning will fall into place much more easily.

That said, we're not lax in that direction either. He's just done Maths IGCSE this summer (results on Thurs - eek!) and is studying four other IGCSE subjects with another starting in a few months. It's all about balance, I think, depending on what the individual needs. Something that few schools are equipped to achieve in my experience.

Good luck with HEing - how old is yours? Are they enthusiastic?

tiredoffightingwithjelly Sat 27-Aug-11 17:56:23

I feel that I am regularly lied to and manipulated!

I don't believe people deliberately enter the profession in order to do so but I do think that some people lack the integrity to behave in an honest manner and I find it very hard to forgive people who lie in order to protect their jobs or promotions. I do believe that when challenged some professionals behave defensively and that this can take the form of being obstructive, playing games and telling lies -shame on them, isn't it time they moved on?

appropriatelytrained Sat 27-Aug-11 22:21:30

Absolutely. And yet they are so morally self-righteous. Pulling out vexatious bans or claiming they are stressed by the questions.

If someone asks you a straightforward question about provision, it is not stressful to answer it unless you don't want to answer it because you are lying. That's where the stress comes from.

In my case, S&LT 'backdated' DS's provision so it looked like he had had constant S&LT intervention for a year. Yet, he had had two visits only (and one of those was to test him for a report for Tribunal). So, they lie about the service they have given an 8 year old boy. That's not the party line, it's a bloody disgrace and demonstrates a complete lack of integrity.

Can you pin them down on it though? No, of course not. They answer complaints you haven't made and then tell you 'local resolution' has been completed so you'll have to go to the ombudsman; they lie in reports and have meetings in secret with the LA and school to make sure they are all saying the same thing; they ban you when you ask for minutes or details of such meetings.

If I hadn't been through it, I wouldn't believe it. I really wouldn't. These people are beneath contempt.

tiredoffightingwithjelly Sat 27-Aug-11 23:03:49

Indeed appropriately trained, they seem to be beneath contempt but some think they can operate above the law........... hopefully the more people that challenge the behaviour of individuals hiding behind their job titles, the more likely there could eventually be some change?

I have the same issues in terms of backdating sessions, the LA and OT service decided amongst themselves what should be backdated and how it should be delivered. Failure to make agreed provision available is now with the LGO. I have had mixed experiences with the LGO officers so will wait and see, I'm not counting out a judicial review of the LGO findings if due consideration is not given but I'm ever hopeful that some semblance of fairness will be evident.

I have recently approached the ICO, so far they have been helpful, has anyone else approached the ICO?

tryingtokeepintune Sun 28-Aug-11 00:08:11

Some schools and LA employees lie and then they justify it, dressing things up as their considered professional opinions which are then given more weight than parental opinions. I don't think they set out to lie but I think once someone does it, they all try to protect each other...

When I queried the termination of statemented provision by the school's SENCO, the LA helped the school justify it. They got the Ed Psych to suggest an alternative, dressing her suggestion as concern for my child. They then got other professionals to back it up so I was backed into a corner and had to agree because it was supposedly in my child's interest but really it was to validate the school's initial action.

My complaint to the LGO is not looking as if it would produce a good outcome for me. The phone conversations seem to consist of him saying why he thought the LA had tried their best and although in hindsight they should have taken the actions I asked for, his feeling so far is that they have been reasonable. Btw, anyone communicate with the LGO via email or have all communication been via the telephone?

Tired I have called the ICO a few times and they have been helpful with information. I have been advised to fill in a complaint to get some documents but have not done so yet.

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