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oh ffs, the draft stmt is a load of bollocks

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ArthurPewty Thu 13-Jan-11 11:04:18

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Bonkerz Thu 13-Jan-11 11:10:48

ring your case worker and say you do not agree .... and tell them what you want. they should then arrange to go back to panel.

My DS got a ststement nearly 2 years ago and it started off as being 8 hours of 1:1 and that he had to stay in mainstream (he was in a Pupil referral unit and had been kicked out of 2 MS schools so the statement was not worth the paper it was written on)

I pushed and pushed and it kept going back to panel and after the 5th time i decided to lodge an appeal with tribunal. After 7 months of backwards and forwards we got a full time 1:1 statement and a place in a specialist autistic school so it can be done but it takes time and persistence....make a nuisence of yourself. Find out when panel meets and ring VERY often to check case worker is putting case forward for review and then ring after they have met to find out decision so you can say YES or NO straight away!

You have done the hard bit by getting thenm to admit you need the statement.....push till you get what your DC needs

moosemama Thu 13-Jan-11 11:34:08

Oh no Leoni I'm sorry they're messing you about, why oh why do they always seem to do this? It all makes me so angry.

No experience myself, but in your shoes I would probably write down exactly what I do want word for word, then ring and put my foot under their backsides. If possible I'd also write and/or email it to them to make sure its definitely on record.

Am sure someone much more experienced will be along to offer you some excellent advice soon though.

We are just starting out on this road. I'm dreading the whole thing from start to finish.

Marne Thu 13-Jan-11 11:34:57

Oh no leonie sad.

Deffently phone your case worker, high light anything in there that you dont agree with, write down what you would like in her statement and make a nuisence of your self.

Is the statement for MS school or sn school?

We were lucky with dd's and got 30hrs 1:1 straight away.

I hope your case worker can sort something out/offer advce.

ArthurPewty Thu 13-Jan-11 11:41:44

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sugarcandyminx Thu 13-Jan-11 11:44:33

Ask for a meeting to discuss it and request changes - but I wouldn't keep pushing it back to panel as it just delays finalising. If it's clear they're not going to offer suitable provision no matter, it's better to finalise it quickly to trigger the right to appeal. You can continue to negotiate even while an appeal is in progress.

You need to look at whether Part 2 is accurate before demanding changes to Part 3 - because each need specified in Part 2 should be met by provision in Part 3. Run the whole document by SOS SEN or similar.

ArthurPewty Thu 13-Jan-11 11:55:13

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Marne Thu 13-Jan-11 12:01:46

Leonie- if its any help i can e-mail you a copy of dd2's statement (i know our dd's have simiar problems), dd's isn't perfect but its quite detailed in stating how much 1:1 and support she should get.

StartingAfresh Thu 13-Jan-11 12:25:56

Oh Leonie, what did you expect?

You know how it works. It's no big deal. One step at a time.

Not a question at this stage, but if there is nothing in it that the school aren't already providing, why did you get a statement?

You know what to do. One step at a time eh?

ArthurPewty Thu 13-Jan-11 12:41:44

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ArthurPewty Thu 13-Jan-11 12:42:23

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Willmum Thu 13-Jan-11 13:00:41

I've just got mine for my son and have similar issues. I have just had a meeting this morning with the las sen officer and it actually was resaonably helpful. I did'nt give too many specifics as I anticipate we'll end up at tribunal but the gentleman seems quite helpful.

He said that in order to get specfic things written in I needed to amend/add to the draft (do it in writing) and make links to where recommendations were made in reports.

Even he said if it's stated in a professional report they can't really argue they can't really argue it as long as it's in part 2.

So if you have any recommendations in you reports that are not mentioned make sure you include these.

Do you have any reports that specify ta support?

ArthurPewty Thu 13-Jan-11 13:03:51

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Willmum Thu 13-Jan-11 13:07:04

you've got to get it in part 2 first then it should be quite easy to get it in part 3. Do you mean salt say 20 hrs salt or salt says 20 hrs 1:1 with ta? I just ask beacuse I've not come across a salt saying how much 1:1 with ta before.

ArthurPewty Thu 13-Jan-11 13:11:57

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wasuup3000 Thu 13-Jan-11 13:20:24

Anything thats in the advices Leonie you can quote when requesting changes and the LEA don't usually say no to that also anything thats worded as opportunities, frequent ect not specified and quantified needs changing.

missmarples Thu 13-Jan-11 13:44:50

It doesn't specified that the ta support needs to be on a 1:1 level - dedicated is not specific enough so that's why is not in part 3 - if you have a ta in the class the above would apply

ArthurPewty Thu 13-Jan-11 14:01:10

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ArthurPewty Thu 13-Jan-11 14:05:40

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DameEdnaBeverage Thu 13-Jan-11 16:02:56

Sorry to hear this Leonie but let's face it they weren't going to give you an easy ride after past history. Don't panic - just needs a bit of tweaking here and there. Sure that you'll kick arse get it shorted. Good luck.

StartingAfresh Thu 13-Jan-11 16:25:27

btw I thought your thread title said

'daft statement'

That'd be right!? grin

ArthurPewty Thu 13-Jan-11 16:49:36

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Agnesdipesto Thu 13-Jan-11 17:24:05

We didn't get what was in the LAs reports - they ignored their EP - it took a year to get to tribunal where the tribunal wrote a decision saying they were giving us exactly what the EP had recommended a year earlier. As far as LA is concerned they have still saved themselves a years money so just because a professional has recommended it does not mean they will put it in - even if they cave in 9 months down the line they will have saved 9 months (until I get round to finishing my complaint / suing them anyway!). There is no incentive for them to give the provision first time many LAs will see if you take it to the wire and then only provide for the kids whose parents go to tribunal. Sorry to be pessimistic just my experience! Suddenly upping the provision at the last hour is pretty common. You need to know that saying no may just be more delaying tactics. If I were doing it again I would have judicially reviewed them when they refused to follow the EPs advice.

pinkorkid Thu 13-Jan-11 18:01:21

Leonie, sorry to hear draft is so daft - sadly par for the course. In fact our final is still "daft" to put it politely -like agnesdipaesto la seem to be ignoring their own ep. Sorry for bit of hijack but agnes, how do you go about the judicial review process? I'm desperate to speed up getting ds' statement right hoping not to have to wait 6 months for tribunal.

ArthurPewty Thu 13-Jan-11 19:11:50

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